This is a perfect example of the above post. I won't even engage in the line by line here if you want to e-mail me or hit me up in myspace(myspace.com/borch) and and I can provied a biblical support of the practice of homosexuality.Ry wrote:I dont care if other religions are just as stupid that doesn't make it OK. There are thousands of religions there is on ly one atheism.
Here these are all from the New Testament. There are more but I got tired of it.
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"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men....(Eph. 6:5-7, NIV)
yeh but see they ARE serving MEN.
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"All who are under the yoke of slavery should consider their masters worthy of full respect, so that God's name and our teaching may not be slandered (1 Tim. 6:1, NIV)."
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"Slaves, obey your earthy masters in everything; and do it, not only when their eye is on you and to win their favor, but with sincerity of heart and reverence for the Lord (Col. 3:22, NIV)."
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Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them,....(Titus 2:9, NIV)."
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"Slaves, submit yourselves to your master with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also those who are harsh....Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps (1 Peter 2:18,21, NIV)."
Wow Paul and Peter sure seem to be OK with Slavery.
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ROM. 1:26-27 ("For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use (a degrading word--Ed.) of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly...."),
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1 COR. 6:9-10 Mod. Lang. ("...Be not misled; neither profligates, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor partakers of homosexuality...will inherit the kingdom of God")
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1 TIM. 1:9-10 NASB ("...the law is not made for a righteous man, but for those who are lawless and rebellious, for the ungodly and sinners...and immoral men and homosexuals....").
Unless you just hate gay people too, you would have to admit the Bible yes the New Testament sure doesn't approve of them.
Now how about the divine right of Kings which Chriistians lived under for 1800 years? Don't forget the praise for King David, King Solomon, and King Saul, no where does it say we should have a Republic and vote and that Kings are just ordinary men. See ROM 13 apparently God appointed all the leaders, gee do you think maybe the leaders wrote that themselves?
This is why Rome embraced Christianity.
The point which is more important this this dialoge is the lack of context, the lack of "total" understanding. There needs to be a rationalization which in the religous community which accapets that we don't live 2000 years ago that when God lays forth laws about how women, men, other people are treated God does so with the understanding that socity will progress and change to become more accapeting. You can look to any religion for that quick examples:
Christianity: the social norm change between NT and OT
Judaism: well they no longer slaughter animals on alters
Islam: the social norm change between NT and OT of the christian religion can be seen more darasticly because the OT before Abraham is the same and the NT came in the 7th century BCE
What I find indecative and troubleing is that not yet has my sixth point been addressed. That given the current state of affairs that there is both a theist, and atheist reason to stop the confict the idea that the son and daughters of Abrahams should not be killing each other, and the basic human idea that we should not slaughter one another no matter the reason.
The sixth point of my post is the linch pin. Both on a religous and humanist level an there has been nothing to this point which does anything but feed this point.