Jeff Rense and Alex Jones, Ry take on it.

[Redelicious]

if you look up albert pikes morals and dogma, he says in there that freemasonry is a cover for lucifarianism (spelling?) the low lever masons don't know squat bout it!

Pikes is a Zionist Jew. He would like nothing more than to blame shift what they do away onto the illuminati. The illuminati is just the german free mason branch.

The Free Masons are the good guys. Many of our own founding fathers were Free Masons. They were also in the Sons of Liberty. It is the very opposite of what you are being told. They were breaking away from religion not towards it. They set up a republic free of the Jewish Rothchild banks, and free of the divine right of kings nonsense aspoused by the church.

You been reading too much Tex Marrs. These people believe in the aleins and shit too by the way.

It could be that Alex's sponsors which range from lol Nuke alerts to use your own water filter could be influencing what the dude says.

Look there is no devil and there is no god. But there is a Church. And look at history, the religions have been doing evil work in gods name since there inception. They didn't do this because of the manipluations of secret societies. They did what they did in the open. They openly preached for the stuff they did. Its just the end result of a bunch of fanatic sheep follwing people who claim to speak for an invisible man who can not be questioned at the psycholgical control and fear of an eternal punishment instilled on you at a young age.

When all these idiots dump there money to these guys, ... man they laugh at you. Religion has always been a tool of the government. They dont have the wrong religion they have religion and that is what is wrong. Religious people always claim that all the stupid shit they caused and did in the past wasn't the 'true' faith. Just drop it man.

God isn't real. And it doesnt matter if you are some of the few religious conned who dont follow the government, because there are enough people who are. The rest of you are not harmful pre-say but you still believe in a magical all power thing and if you are a christian then there is a long long list of absolutely undeinably retarded things you are supposed to believe in and follow starting with cutting off part of your dick at birth. You might as well just remove part of your brain too.


please please just read the bible and you will see how fucking ridiculous it is to believe in god and the devil. That shit should not even play a part in your thinking about the world. It is so silly and so obvious. Talk to Atheists and ask them what finally did it for them to reject their old religion and most will tell you well I read the Bible or the Korran ect and that pretty much did it in.

I would like to add that the FEMA camps are real and the black helicopters are probably part of the larger black ops opperations. you know this might be WHY UFO belivers picked up on this early because they are out there star watching and they probably saw the area 51 stuff (admitted on the History channle to be a secret government military base where they test new aircraft) before everyone else.

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Ry thank you very very much! I can't stand it when people start talking about illuminati and freemasons and bs like that either. It's just a diversion from the reality of what's going on. Please guys don't defame yourself by falling into the occult trap.

[Goose and Gridiron]

I hate to be voice of dissent on a site like this but some of you need to do your homework.

If you want to focus your energy on creating more liberal drones in opposition to the current manifestation of the NWO in the US which is the Bush regime then by all means,don't bring up the very real aspects of the NWO that are heavily coated in the occult but by doing so you take the risk of falling into the paradigm and you are not striking at the root. Tentacles grow back.

This thing we call the New World Order is ancient. Who do you think came up with this idea? Secret societies have fostered this conspiracy from the beginning and continue to do so today. If you want to talk about international bankers or the Federal Reserve,you must trace it back to the first international bankers who were the Knights Templar who were themselves banned and later resurfaces under a new name: Freemasonry.

If you want to talk about how we have a seperation of church & state,that was accomplished through the Supreme Court of the United States when that body was dominated by Freemasons in ratios of 5-4 and 8-1 during the period 1941-1971 when it completely reversed 162 years of prior Court decisions regarding the religion clauses of the Constitution, as well as Congessional and Presidential actions. Moreover,these actions were brought before the high bench almost in the identical sequence in which they were complained about in the "New Age." which was a Scottish Rite Freemasonic magazine in the early to mid 1900's.


Take history as an example. Things we learn in school, books we read, documentaries we watch; is this what really happened, or is it just lies and/or distortions of the truth? What is interesting is that the events and the persons we read about in the history books seem to coincide with secret societies. Also, the heroes of the past, the great artists, the conquerors, the scientists, the great inventors, the “humanitarians”, the classical musicians etc., seem to all be connected to one secret society or another. The list goes on and on. How come that the majority of great men we learn about were also initiated into occult Orders? What we learn about is the Masonic version of history. If you have trouble presenting this view to the sheep in a serious manner then I suggest you educate yourselves further on these matters because there's a wealth of evidence to support this view. People want to see the wizards behind the curtain.

Whoever said the Freemasons are the "good guys" is right and wrong. Freemasonry is the only secret society old enough,wise enough,and connected globally enough to have laid the groundwork for this conspiracy. If you oppose losing our soveignty here in the US,then you oppose Freemasonry. Their original aims,not their surface aims which are a public relations ploy,of creating a "New Atlantis" are noble enough but their organization has been infiltrated and used by the Elite numerous times where it's to the point of Freemasonry being the enemy. Research P-2 or "Propaganda Due" Lodge is you get a chance. Real life example.

What serious alternative researchers must make clear in this age of disinfo is that when we say "Illuminati",we are not referring to the Bavarian Illuminati because they were banned and their remnants dispersed into select facets of Freemasonry,we are loosely using the word "Illuminati" as slang to describe the web in which all these groups,some working in concert,bring this world government to harvest. Bilderberg,The Trilateral Commission,Council of Foreign Relations,
PNAC,Freemasonry,Club of Rome,Jesuits,Zionists,etc,etc...All these groups and many more fall under the Illuminati umbrella. I don't believe this conspiracy to be a 100% Zionist plot. That seems like a popular consensus here probably more due to those parties involved with 9/11 but I disagree.

As far as the extra-terrestrial role in this thing... I'm aware of it but it's something I try and only discuss with other anti-NWO researchers who are educated about it. If your educated about the occult doctrine of the Nazi Reich,then you know extra-terrestrials or "secret chiefs" played a big part in his idealogy and the idealogy of the secret society that put him in power,the Thule Society. It's also interesting to know that a culmination of theories by occult authors suggest all the occult fraternities are guided by extra-terrestrial beings whether astral or physical. You didn't think the Egyptians and all the other primitive races built all those pyramids all by themselves,did you? Sacred geometry. Where do you think Freemasonry claims it's origins from? The Ancient Mystery Schools of Egypt. Millions of alien abductions,sightings,eyewitnesses,all with no prior history of mental illness. Did you when a primitive people refer to "God" in the bible,they might be referring to aliens? Read the Book of Enoch. Did you ever wonder where all the advanced occult sciences originated from? Mainstream science is just starting to catch up with quantum physics.

Just something to think about.

[Ry]

Many of our own founding fathers were Free Masons. They were also in the Sons of Liberty.

I was in Sons of Liberty too at W&M.

The dollar changed from all tyrants must fall to in god we trust. Oh gee who oh who was behind that?

[flanker12k]

I would like to add that the FEMA camps are real and the black helicopters are probably part of the larger black ops opperations. you know this might be WHY UFO belivers picked up on this early because they are out there star watching and they probably saw the area 51 stuff (admitted on the History channle to be a secret government military base where they test new aircraft) before everyone else.


that i agree with you on, and the fact the founding fathers were masons but not evil. ya that main reason why america became as powerful and prosperious as it did was because america got away from the rothschild money power.

there was a letter by george washington talking bout the influences of jacobinism and illuminati in america.


one of the best pieces i'd seen on aliens was on www.conspiracyarchive.com talking bout how it might be demonology, as far as I can tell I haven't seen any definitive proof intelligent life being dumb enough to visit us. i'm still open to the idea at the same time the elites have planned a fake alien invasion as a pretext for world government.....


as to the religion issue, do whatever floats your boat but don't go around slamming me for what i think and vice versa. only people i have a problem with are the end of timers, and the 2nd coming of jesus.


as far as the occult, it's the elite's religion, the numerological hocus pocus and the geometrical crazies.

just like the so called star of david, it had nothing to do with jews before the rothschild occultists took it as the "emblem" of judiasm its actually a symbol used to "ward off evil" in arab black magic.

[Ry]

Federal Reserve,you must trace it back to the first international bankers who were the Knights Templar who were themselves banned and later resurfaces under a new name: Freemasonry.

Federal Reserve Real. Knights of tempar horse shit.
I have done my history. I have a degree in history. Do you? Does Alex jones? No.

If you want to talk about how we have a seperation of church & state,that was accomplished through the Supreme Court of the United States when that body was dominated by Freemasons in ratios of 5-4 and 8-1 during the period 1941-1971 when it completely reversed 162 years of prior Court decisions regarding the religion clauses of the Constitution, as well as Congessional and Presidential actions. Moreover,these actions were brought before the high bench almost in the identical sequence in which they were complained about in the "New Age." which was a Scottish Rite Freemasonic magazine in the early to mid 1900's.

Well us rational people who don't all follow men is robes of an invisible man see the seperation of church and state a s GOOD THING. PS the US is not a Christian Nation.

"The bible supports the divine right of kings, read Romans 13:1 or just think about King David, King Saul, or King Salomon, or any of the other Kings totally supported in the buybull. No where in the Bible does it talk about voting lol. The American idea is a step AWAY from religious dogma. A real xtian nation would be a monarchy. Oh that's right, that is what we broke away from in England.

The framers of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights were Deists and Atheist" People can argue over the interpretation of the Constitution, but considerring that Jefferson and Madison wrote it and wrote the entire Bill Of Rights, they didn't have to guess what it meant they knew what it meant they were the authors.

It was the Religious faction it was, Halmilton and the Federalist who were pushing for a central Bank against the Jeffersonians the Freemasons. You see the religious have tried to twist this to blame it all on the atheists or sometimes they go as far as to called them satanic. True is it was Religion that supported the ideas of divine right and royalty the aristocratic society. They wanted crypto European control they did not want a free American society it could ruin everything. They openly wrote about The US and Russia not having central banks, but the US was the greatest threat as it had free markets and gasp people owning their own land.

Its the churches that are sending money to Israel. They are also the ones investing in defense related industries with tax free money to bolster the MIC. They used to openly use religion for war everything from God's Manifest Destiny to kill the red Indians to the kill a commie for christ slogans used in Veitnam.

Try reading documented history instead of the spooky websites on the knights of templar, the sky people, followers of Set etc.

Bilderberg,The Trilateral Commission,Council of Foreign Relations,
PNAC Freemasonry,Club of Rome,Jesuits,Zionists

see now the CFRs and the BB and TC are all real groups, PNAC is a document and it came straight out of Israel, do your homework. But throwing the Masons in there is the Christian twist. There has never and I mean never been a greater conspiracy on earth that can compare with Religions. And Zionism is not a group its a ideology or you could say a theology. The Jesuits have nothing to do with it.

You enlighten us, show me evidence of aliens today or in the 1930-40s. This kind of stuff even if you somehow think it is true you must admit does not on a pragmatic level help our cause one bit.

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter." --Thomas Jefferson

[flanker12k]

KABLAM!!!

I was just thinking about why didn't you bring up the point about the founders being diests.....nevermind.....

[Goose and Gridiron]

Ry,

Some would say your degree in "designer" history is the equivelant to be conditioned and will not assist you here and I think you know this because the material you/we discuss here in this group and others like it is not recorded in popular history and when it is,it's distorted. I read alot of material by Professor Antony Sutton.

I ask you what about the Knights Templar is "horse shit"? I said they were the first insternational bankers. Care to debate that?

You must assume I am some fundamentalist Christian type because I mentioned how Freemasons were implicit in ringing in the seperation of Church & State. Nowhere did I say I disapprove of this but I used that example to support my position that secret societies have real power and covertly use it in global affairs.

In reality,I'm closer to being a Deist than anything else so I'd advise you to keep your religious stereotypes to yourself. And by the way,Deists are not athiests. I agree in that the organized Church,not any form of spirituality,has hand a heavy hand in the NWO and the ills of the world but I think your just looking in one direction(Israel/Zionists) when this conspiracy is multi-faceted.

We're in agreement on the evils of religion but "Throwing the masons in there" as you say is not a "Christian twist" unless you toss the satanist coin in there which I haven't. If you fail to acknowledge the secret societies who have covertly pushed agendas since day one than how do you expect to get a grasp of what the NWO is?

And yes,the extra-terrestrial connection however real will not help our cause per say when in reference to certain people,but for others,the millions who read sites like Rense who have an open mind to this material for example,it does help. One could argue your approach will hinder people from looking into the NWO because of the confusion surrounding anti-semitism when speaking of Zionism. No one approach works for everybody. If your such a fan of the Freemasons,you must know they are heavily involved in the occult,metaphysics,etc... You didn't think they fashioned Washington,DC to fit certain metaphysical patterns for nothing,did ya?

Now I don't care to engage you in a pissing contest here as I consider you a friend to the cause and this is your forum but I felt that needed to be addressed. Otherwise,I commend your work and wish you well.

[flanker12k]

anthony sutton is my hero!

he single handedly made it MUCH easier to swallow the bitter pill of real history.


you know one thing i've learned is everyone has their blindspots, and you can't get rid of those blindspots, man i figured thought i found a safe haven against the drones here, but apparently i accidently pushed a couple of buttons i wasn't supposed to push......

I try and keep an open mind because you can learn something but when taking flak for lucifarian (plz tell me i got spelling right?! ) aspect of the NWO and their crazy geometric fetishes, one can't help but to feel cheated out of the opened-mindedness one would expect, ya know what i mean?

[Corey Michael]

The Israeli Connections are slowly coming to light, but I would rather not imagine what would really happen if the majority of Americans acknowledged Mossads involvement in 9/11, let alone acknowledged the dual loyalists in leading positions within our government. If the American people truly woke up to these things, I imagine the consequential backlash from the already established power structure would not be a pleasant thing. Is it worth pursuing at this point anyways? My answer, is a wavering, yet still patriotic, YES!

Side note: A professor at my school helped with the founding of the Jewish Voice for Peace. He came to talk to our class recently about his work there. I must say, it was a wonderful time. I even shocked him with some questions about the AIPAC trial. He was not partial at all and it was very respectable. Check it: http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/