First of all I have to say that I've been browsing this site for a while now; I came across it through WhatReallyHappened.com, and you do a great job here. Smart, unwavering, and thorough. I've watched most of your videos and I like the content quite a bit. As far as the execution goes...well that's another matter. But, I work in film production so I get a bit fussy about things like that, however, it does not in any way deminish the quality of the information for me. That said...
About Zeitgeist. As someone on this thread mentioned...it is my acid test also. It's a hard pill to swallow for a lot of people. I've bought 20 copies and given them out. The responses have been amazing, both positive and negative. But...nobody has been apathetic. And that says a lot. it's a love it or hate it document and that speaks volumes about it's power. I've never witness such visceral responses to anything in my life. It's the kind of responses that in Theater and Film, we dream of. On that level alone...it is a remarkable success.
There was another statement made on this thread that the movie has been "totally debunked". That is, to be kind, a totally outrageous statement. It covers roughly 5000 years of history and myth. To say it has been "totally debunked" is a completely disingenuous and uninformed, if not patentedly false, assertion.
While the film may not be perfect in it's details, particularly in the section on 9/11, it seeks to be bigger than that. It is not about a singular, isolated event. It is about the power and history of myth and how those myths are used to control masses of people throughout human history. And that is the strength of the movie. That's what upsets people. And that's what excites people.
And while some feel it cops out at the end with what some perceive as being a "solution" being offered by the filmmaker, I believe that is a misinterpretation of the filmmakers intent. I does not offer or even attempt to offer a solution beyond the suggestion that in order to change anything one must realize the ways and means of deception being thrust upon them. Nothing more and nothing less. And that is a lot.
The function of art is not to provide answers but rather to guide us to the right questions. It is to provoke thought and discussion. And Zeitgeist certainly does that.
On a slightly different note: Regarding Ryan's video "Iraq, 9/11, PNAC, Where do all the Roads Lead". I think you've done a stellar research job and you hit on things that most would not dare touch and for that you must be congratulated. It's brave, bold and true what you have stated in your video. I think it's the closest thing to the complete truth about the subject I have yet to see.
I have noticed that you have on several occasion made mention of the fact that you feel a need to move past this subject. While I understand your desire to move past it I think it would be a grave mis-service to ignore it altogether. It is important and it is unresolved. I would love a chance to rework the visuals and audio to make it flow more smoothly than it currently does. Like I said before...the information contained is fantastic..visually though...not so good. Audio...not so good. But regarding the information it contains...it blows all other 9/11 films out of the water. So that said...If you're interested...let me know. I have to tools, the time and the resources to get it done. (and no...by resources I don't mean an endless supply of cash). Just a lot of really good experienced people that I'm surrounded by who have a like minded appreciation for the work you've done. So once again...just let me know. I'd love to try.
Anyways...this was my first post here, verbose as it may have been, I hope nobody takes it the wrong way. I think there a lot of smart well intention people here who share many concerns. And for that, I'm grateful to you all.
Be cool kids...
Juan.
Has everyone seen Zeitgeist?
About Zeitgeist...again
"The only thing worth globalizing is dissent"
Arundhati Roy
Arundhati Roy
I have noticed that you have on several occasion made mention of the fact that you feel a need to move past this subject. While I understand your desire to move past it I think it would be a grave mis-service to ignore it altogether. It is important and it is unresolved. I would love a chance to rework the visuals and audio to make it flow more smoothly than it currently does. Like I said before...the information contained is fantastic..visually though...not so good. Audio...not so good. But regarding the information it contains...it blows all other 9/11 films out of the water. So that said...If you're interested...let me know. I have to tools, the time and the resources to get it done. (and no...by resources I don't mean an endless supply of cash). Just a lot of really good experienced people that I'm surrounded by who have a like minded appreciation for the work you've done. So once again...just let me know. I'd love to try.
Wow... jfc that is very kind of you. You are very kind to give your time and resource to help. I think it would be mutually beneficial depending on the audience it could reach the better it is more people will see it. I do still think you guys should take it more serious and less hype. You are wise to hook up with smart people. We do have a talent on this site Aaron, he is the one that helps make this place work and look better also mutually beneficial for him cause it gets his work out there to many people who sees it.
Anyways, welcome.
Wow... jfc that is very kind of you. You are very kind to give your time and resource to help. I think it would be mutually beneficial depending on the audience it could reach the better it is more people will see it. I do still think you guys should take it more serious and less hype. You are wise to hook up with smart people. We do have a talent on this site Aaron, he is the one that helps make this place work and look better also mutually beneficial for him cause it gets his work out there to many people who sees it.
Anyways, welcome.
Thanks for your warm welcome and kind replies. This is what I hoped for, and I'm pleased so far with the retorts.
I'll just state it again and this time be a little more clear on something; This is not about finance or profit. It is about purpose and function. I'm not looking for nor expecting a Warner Brothers release of this. But this is too good to let slide under the radar.
I hope my statements will be scrutinized and my motives questioned. I would expect nothing less. Time will out it all.
But if anyone has the capacity to pass my message along to Ryan, please do so.
Once again...thanks.
This site is important. Truth is always alarming and contraversial. (i think i mis-spelled that)...whatever...I'm rambling...
Sorry...
Time for a cocktail...long day.
Be cool.
I'll just state it again and this time be a little more clear on something; This is not about finance or profit. It is about purpose and function. I'm not looking for nor expecting a Warner Brothers release of this. But this is too good to let slide under the radar.
I hope my statements will be scrutinized and my motives questioned. I would expect nothing less. Time will out it all.
But if anyone has the capacity to pass my message along to Ryan, please do so.
Once again...thanks.
This site is important. Truth is always alarming and contraversial. (i think i mis-spelled that)...whatever...I'm rambling...
Sorry...
Time for a cocktail...long day.
Be cool.
"The only thing worth globalizing is dissent"
Arundhati Roy
Arundhati Roy
I agree with you. And I hope I didn't give the impression that Zeitgeist is the only thing I've watched. Quite the contrary. I'm something of a documentary junkie. On a wide array of subjects. And yes...reading is the key and I do as much of that as time allows (which is a lot lately). What I have managed to use Zeitgeist for is to encourage people to ask harder questions and to not take everything that they get fed through the MSM as gospel. And, since the movie is so varied in the subjects it tackles (unlike Loose Change), it has a greater chance of appealing to at least some area of interest for the "average Joe".
Anyone that is reading anything on this site doesn't need to be encouraged to question things. We all here have already, for lack of a better term, taken the red pill. I'm just trying to bring around some of my friends and family that seem to gravitate towards a blue pill mentality.
Oh, one last thing about Zeitgeist (and then I promise I'll stop chewing on that bone): One of the things I like is that on the movies web site it does have an interactive transcript and it is for the most part very well sourced.
Anyways, thanks for replying. Now it's time for an espresso and a bike ride. It's 5;30AM and I've been up for an hour. On my day off. I should have my fucking head examined.
Later.
Anyone that is reading anything on this site doesn't need to be encouraged to question things. We all here have already, for lack of a better term, taken the red pill. I'm just trying to bring around some of my friends and family that seem to gravitate towards a blue pill mentality.
Oh, one last thing about Zeitgeist (and then I promise I'll stop chewing on that bone): One of the things I like is that on the movies web site it does have an interactive transcript and it is for the most part very well sourced.
Anyways, thanks for replying. Now it's time for an espresso and a bike ride. It's 5;30AM and I've been up for an hour. On my day off. I should have my fucking head examined.
Later.
"The only thing worth globalizing is dissent"
Arundhati Roy
Arundhati Roy
another video about the physics of 911 and ignoring who did it and also lied about Iraq. If you avoid israel its like talking about WWII without mentioning Germany.
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The first part of Z on religion which was shamelessly copied from pharamacratic inquisition is pretty good. The rest of it was like every other 911 film.
But religious people will say the opposite. They will ignore the first part and praise the second and third parts which are literally just clips from loose change and other Israel avoiding films.
I swear its like everyone just re-make Alex Jones stuff. They all use the same lines like no steel building has ever fallen from fire in history.
bla bla bla First of all that is a very weak argument, so what if none had fallen before? There are not that many fires and these would be the only ones that had the fires and um getting smashed by 757 planes. I little rinky dink plane hit the empire state building and a crop duster hit a bank in Florida and thats about it.
What is with the obvious contradictions there too when they say the pentagon was hit by a missile and then later use the testimony of Mennetti saying to Dick Cheney the plane is 30 miles out... 20 miles out...t do the orders still stand, 10 miles out.... And of course Cheney continues to have NORAD still stand down. BUT hold the phone. It was a PLANE that was 30 miles out, which they saw on th e radar. And if you think that was a missile don't you think the people in Virginia 30 miles out from the Pentagon with would be DC and Northern VA nothing but large cities and busy roads, would have seen or heard a missile flying over head?
Plus there is no MOTIVE to use a missile when you know it has to at least look like a plane, and we have the prior Northwoods documents of the 60s calling for drone planes and Northtop (who Feith and Wolfowitz work for) controlling the software and DoV Z. The chief financial officer of the missing trillions acquiring 30 specially equip Boeing planes in tightly controlled secretive flight hangers of Britannia run by Christian Zionist in Virginia under Jerry fucking Falwell no less with Britannia. (same schools the hijackers went to. Look the hijackers were still alive meaning they did not do it. That means the people (Mossad) posing as them were creating a story but never got on the planes.
They used drones. There is no reason to hit the WTC with a drone and yet use a missile for the pentagon. Why why use a missile instead of a plane? That's retarded even for neocons.
That also nullifies all arguments about how hard it would be for a shitty flight school flyer to pull off such moves. Look the hijackers are still alive they didn't fucking do it. Duh. Why would you think half of them didn't do it but the other half did? Look if half of them didn't do it then that blows the whole story. But see, then you get into them living next door to the Mossad.... And that's no no land for these pussies afraid to take on Zionism. They can't go down that road.
But hey loose change said it was a missile because a cool music video with manson music, called pentagon strike went around the web and said so, no evidence though just questions all of which are explained if you THINK for 2 seconds. Why confiscate the tape? To cover secondary explosions which were widely reported. Why little debris? Because they scooped up the evidence and destroyed it the same way the shipped the WTC metal off to China. Why the small hole in the back because a plane in aluminum and the pentagon was re-enforced with Kevlar. Why that section and only that section re-enforced? To contain the damage in that wing and not have it spread and assure killing off the people involved in tracking the missing money. Which is exactly who died. On top of that everyone saw a plane go towards the pentagon and no one saw one leave. And it did not land there.
911 Truth juts likes to say they dont know who did it or how they did it. They just know that it was done. That is the only way to talk about it while avoiding Israel.
All this is going to be in my film.
But religious people will say the opposite. They will ignore the first part and praise the second and third parts which are literally just clips from loose change and other Israel avoiding films.
I swear its like everyone just re-make Alex Jones stuff. They all use the same lines like no steel building has ever fallen from fire in history.
bla bla bla First of all that is a very weak argument, so what if none had fallen before? There are not that many fires and these would be the only ones that had the fires and um getting smashed by 757 planes. I little rinky dink plane hit the empire state building and a crop duster hit a bank in Florida and thats about it.
What is with the obvious contradictions there too when they say the pentagon was hit by a missile and then later use the testimony of Mennetti saying to Dick Cheney the plane is 30 miles out... 20 miles out...t do the orders still stand, 10 miles out.... And of course Cheney continues to have NORAD still stand down. BUT hold the phone. It was a PLANE that was 30 miles out, which they saw on th e radar. And if you think that was a missile don't you think the people in Virginia 30 miles out from the Pentagon with would be DC and Northern VA nothing but large cities and busy roads, would have seen or heard a missile flying over head?
Plus there is no MOTIVE to use a missile when you know it has to at least look like a plane, and we have the prior Northwoods documents of the 60s calling for drone planes and Northtop (who Feith and Wolfowitz work for) controlling the software and DoV Z. The chief financial officer of the missing trillions acquiring 30 specially equip Boeing planes in tightly controlled secretive flight hangers of Britannia run by Christian Zionist in Virginia under Jerry fucking Falwell no less with Britannia. (same schools the hijackers went to. Look the hijackers were still alive meaning they did not do it. That means the people (Mossad) posing as them were creating a story but never got on the planes.
They used drones. There is no reason to hit the WTC with a drone and yet use a missile for the pentagon. Why why use a missile instead of a plane? That's retarded even for neocons.
That also nullifies all arguments about how hard it would be for a shitty flight school flyer to pull off such moves. Look the hijackers are still alive they didn't fucking do it. Duh. Why would you think half of them didn't do it but the other half did? Look if half of them didn't do it then that blows the whole story. But see, then you get into them living next door to the Mossad.... And that's no no land for these pussies afraid to take on Zionism. They can't go down that road.
But hey loose change said it was a missile because a cool music video with manson music, called pentagon strike went around the web and said so, no evidence though just questions all of which are explained if you THINK for 2 seconds. Why confiscate the tape? To cover secondary explosions which were widely reported. Why little debris? Because they scooped up the evidence and destroyed it the same way the shipped the WTC metal off to China. Why the small hole in the back because a plane in aluminum and the pentagon was re-enforced with Kevlar. Why that section and only that section re-enforced? To contain the damage in that wing and not have it spread and assure killing off the people involved in tracking the missing money. Which is exactly who died. On top of that everyone saw a plane go towards the pentagon and no one saw one leave. And it did not land there.
911 Truth juts likes to say they dont know who did it or how they did it. They just know that it was done. That is the only way to talk about it while avoiding Israel.
All this is going to be in my film.
Get The Empire Unmasked here