Yeah I guess you're right, I just don't see how it's going to materialize as change if we never have any representation in the people who actually make the decisions of what the military does. But I was thinking about it & you really do have a point, it's stupid to go around saying that Muslims attacked us on 9-11 when there's absolutely no evidence of that & anyone intelligent who's looked at it knows that's ridiculous. Or to put faith in someone who's saying that just cause their supposed policies are good. I just disagree w/the way you've gone about it, like to me it seemed over the top. But the beefing is bullshit, there's really no reason why those of us that know the truth shouldn't be united even if we don't agree on minor shit like the Ron Paul thing. So I'm down to squash that. It's probably true that real change isn't gonna come about until people know the whole truth about stuff like 9-11.Khanverse wrote:my wish? my wish is to get criminals out of government by massive education of the populace, i was REALISTIC about this, not that it's what I wanted.
no human is a panacea dude, education on the facts is the only antidote.
don't let the ups and downs of fraudulent politics get you down... our goal is excising criminals and on that front as far as spreadin facts go WE ARE DOING GREAT.
An IMO Disgusting Interview of Pat Buchanan by Alex Jones
if everyone gets educated, the government people will REBEL against the control of the monsters... they just don't think they have the support from the masses, there have to be hundreds of people, if not thousands in government who have power but are afraid to exercise it individually because they'll just lose their seat and their power when AIPAC and jewish supramacists will fund their opposition...
even if paul won, he would be SURROUNDED by zionist monsters EVERYWHERE, how effective could he be? they run the fucking media too..
you gotta start educating people on zionism so ONLY anti-zionists will be supported in EVERY election, local or national in EVERY election, then get control over voting again with paper ballots. Then you could get a guy like Huey Long or Chavez who will really have the peoples best interest and he would be surrounded by people who share his ideals so he can be effective in using the gears of power to catalyze radical populist change...
a 70 something gynocologist is not your savior, you are your savior and information is the holy water.
even if paul won, he would be SURROUNDED by zionist monsters EVERYWHERE, how effective could he be? they run the fucking media too..
you gotta start educating people on zionism so ONLY anti-zionists will be supported in EVERY election, local or national in EVERY election, then get control over voting again with paper ballots. Then you could get a guy like Huey Long or Chavez who will really have the peoples best interest and he would be surrounded by people who share his ideals so he can be effective in using the gears of power to catalyze radical populist change...
a 70 something gynocologist is not your savior, you are your savior and information is the holy water.
I never said all illegals are of the criminal element. I am saying that because if immigration wasn't so lose, there wouldn't be this gang activity where Mexican gangs are targeting blacks and whites. So we should close the gates and guard the border and be tougher on immigrants. Check their background for crying out loud. I mean, most of us on here would never commit murder right? Nevertheless, we still have to obey the law that says not to. So, immigrants may have to be denied access until they can be proven to be a non-criminal.No I think your assumption of "they hate you" for every illegal immigrant is as much a generalization as "they hate us because we're free" is for Arabs. 'THEY HATE YOU! THEY WANNA KILL YOU!' Where have I heard that before?
Why is that so absurd? To close the borders so that we can only let the good people in?
Buck the neocons. Fuck 'em too.
Nah I support background checks for violent crimes I guess. But Buchanan & Alex Jones are hyping a lot of b.s. & fear along w/the facts about this subject, which is ultimately in my view a distraction from among other things the Zionist occupation that actually consists of rich powerful people who are in charge rather than the 'third world herds' that Alex has so much disdain for. It's just a scapegoat to shift the blame from the true criminals, you don't see very many if any people who are reputable on subjects like 9-11 & banking flipping their lid all day about "the illegals" like this clown does. Then he goes on to say that Arabs control the media & Lyndon Johnson forced Israel to attack the USS Liberty. I don't know I sense there could be a connection, it's like Mexicans are an easy target unlike Zionists & 'Judeochristian' quasi-white supremacist conservative culture that support them & their crusade.Drew J wrote:I never said all illegals are of the criminal element. I am saying that because if immigration wasn't so lose, there wouldn't be this gang activity where Mexican gangs are targeting blacks and whites. So we should close the gates and guard the border and be tougher on immigrants. Check their background for crying out loud. I mean, most of us on here would never commit murder right? Nevertheless, we still have to obey the law that says not to. So, immigrants may have to be denied access until they can be proven to be a non-criminal.No I think your assumption of "they hate you" for every illegal immigrant is as much a generalization as "they hate us because we're free" is for Arabs. 'THEY HATE YOU! THEY WANNA KILL YOU!' Where have I heard that before?
Why is that so absurd? To close the borders so that we can only let the good people in?
DBS is a scumbag/doc/Gareth.L.W ... lution.htm
lmao@people ON THIS SITE of all places complaining about immigration
"amurikka" did steal people's land, now they wanna kick out hard laborers who work for less than minimum wage..
dudes are falling for another zionist trick... they are the problem, not mexicans or chinese or blacks...
dumbass.
lmao@people ON THIS SITE of all places complaining about immigration
"amurikka" did steal people's land, now they wanna kick out hard laborers who work for less than minimum wage..
dudes are falling for another zionist trick... they are the problem, not mexicans or chinese or blacks...
dumbass.
I also saw Buchanan on tv say that a defeat of a medical marijuana bill in some state in the '06 election was a positive sign that conservatism was not dead even though the public elected a majority democrat (still pro-war) Congress. So that's good, more sick people die in agony so insecure social conservatives can sleep well in fantasy land. Protected from the evil wetbacks, A-rabs & dope smokers 
I don't know, about the criticizing Israel thing or whatver it seems like Buchanan is limited hangout artist extraordinaire on the conservative side. If you notice he is all over television, like not just a guest appearance now & then he is a regular guest on all kinds of bullshit news shows like Hardball & Tucker Carlson. That's not by accident, I think they have to have somewhere there who fits the mold of "tradition conservative" once in a while because if it were all Jewish ex-Communists representing the 'Republican' side people might start to wonder after a while. But it's like it's designed to be intentionally ineffective.
I don't know, about the criticizing Israel thing or whatver it seems like Buchanan is limited hangout artist extraordinaire on the conservative side. If you notice he is all over television, like not just a guest appearance now & then he is a regular guest on all kinds of bullshit news shows like Hardball & Tucker Carlson. That's not by accident, I think they have to have somewhere there who fits the mold of "tradition conservative" once in a while because if it were all Jewish ex-Communists representing the 'Republican' side people might start to wonder after a while. But it's like it's designed to be intentionally ineffective.
I'm just going off on the flag-wavers in this thread so this came to mind too. Another thing they like to complain about is the 'welfare state', which may actually be designed to suppress black people & keep them down but they don't like it because they view it as 'handouts'. But the original much more major 'handouts' were when white people claimed their actual ancestors as property & forced them to live in America as slaves! But the interesting thing is if you examine that industry it's like the same structure of power that there is today. Jewish elites dominant at the highest levels of power (look it up) supported by a larger majority of white supremacist Christians.
leaving out all the race shit, illegal immigration has dyer affects on an economy. It is being promoted for the NAU and it creates race tensions that distract from real issues such as zionist control.
now taking race into account, there seem to be some different opinions on this.
some wanna blame the mexicans and say they all hate us and wanna take "their" land back-This has SOME truth to it, but is def. not the whole truth imo
others will say the mexicans are just a scape goat, love, peace, freedom, let them all come in and reward them for it-Now this argument also has some truth but i feel that it is somewhat worse.
my opinion is the following
(NOTE: I try to keep an open mind, i could be totally wrong, but these are the dots that i have connected):
Jewish supremacy, as most forms of any other racial supremacy would, have came to the conclusion that mixing the races together, destroying nationalism, and borders, weakening religious beliefs that hold people together (except when to do so would be beneficial such as with judeochristianity), promoting promiscuity, drug use etc etc etc
all leads to a "weak, stupid, and divided people who are easily conquered/controlled slaves"
Now, I believe that their beliefs are flawed. I do not believe mixing of "races" is wrong, i do not believe some levels of more public sexuality are wrong, and even though i personally don't do drugs any more, i think that some drugs are okay for some people to use.
but.....the problem lies in that what they are doing does work to an extent. it's not that any of those things I mentioned are particularly damaging to a nation and its culture on a small scale, but when it happens on such a large scale as it is today, it does have negative affects.
I mean i like "ethnic" girls, hell my dream is to marry a Lebanese girl who shares some of my same political opinions, but as far as a nation is concerned, on a large scale it does create disunity to have many different ethnic groups within one country who are in conflict, which is almost certain.
many of the people who want to fight this get real racist beliefs and start blaming the mexicans or whoever it may be, who are only trying to make a better live for themselves and their family.
This i blame on humans animalistic nature. so just because it is supid, and racist doesn't mean that racism will always exist (though it can be curbed) and that it has consequences to a country.
now historically counties have been able to survive despite race controversies, but teamed up what i mentioned above and lots of other things i was too lazy to list or just can't think of, create very toxic mix.
i wish i had a larger scale solution to all of it, but at this point the only option i see as a valid one(even if it only addresses a part of it), would basically be Dr. Paul's immigration plan. haha
took me a while to come to that conclusion huh?
well thats just my take on it.
and as far as that interview goes, i have mixed feelings. most of it i am afraid i'll have to agree, they have valid points. but i do not like the supremest undertone to it. and i know they are both religious kooks. even if pat buchanan has talked about the zionists or israel (which i commend him on regardless)
now taking race into account, there seem to be some different opinions on this.
some wanna blame the mexicans and say they all hate us and wanna take "their" land back-This has SOME truth to it, but is def. not the whole truth imo
others will say the mexicans are just a scape goat, love, peace, freedom, let them all come in and reward them for it-Now this argument also has some truth but i feel that it is somewhat worse.
my opinion is the following
(NOTE: I try to keep an open mind, i could be totally wrong, but these are the dots that i have connected):
Jewish supremacy, as most forms of any other racial supremacy would, have came to the conclusion that mixing the races together, destroying nationalism, and borders, weakening religious beliefs that hold people together (except when to do so would be beneficial such as with judeochristianity), promoting promiscuity, drug use etc etc etc
all leads to a "weak, stupid, and divided people who are easily conquered/controlled slaves"
Now, I believe that their beliefs are flawed. I do not believe mixing of "races" is wrong, i do not believe some levels of more public sexuality are wrong, and even though i personally don't do drugs any more, i think that some drugs are okay for some people to use.
but.....the problem lies in that what they are doing does work to an extent. it's not that any of those things I mentioned are particularly damaging to a nation and its culture on a small scale, but when it happens on such a large scale as it is today, it does have negative affects.
I mean i like "ethnic" girls, hell my dream is to marry a Lebanese girl who shares some of my same political opinions, but as far as a nation is concerned, on a large scale it does create disunity to have many different ethnic groups within one country who are in conflict, which is almost certain.
many of the people who want to fight this get real racist beliefs and start blaming the mexicans or whoever it may be, who are only trying to make a better live for themselves and their family.
This i blame on humans animalistic nature. so just because it is supid, and racist doesn't mean that racism will always exist (though it can be curbed) and that it has consequences to a country.
now historically counties have been able to survive despite race controversies, but teamed up what i mentioned above and lots of other things i was too lazy to list or just can't think of, create very toxic mix.
i wish i had a larger scale solution to all of it, but at this point the only option i see as a valid one(even if it only addresses a part of it), would basically be Dr. Paul's immigration plan. haha
took me a while to come to that conclusion huh?
well thats just my take on it.
and as far as that interview goes, i have mixed feelings. most of it i am afraid i'll have to agree, they have valid points. but i do not like the supremest undertone to it. and i know they are both religious kooks. even if pat buchanan has talked about the zionists or israel (which i commend him on regardless)
I think the things that the NWO theorists say keep us together & strong like organized religion & man-made borders & racial segregation are the exact things that keep us divided & at each others throats instead of at the throats of the elitists. There's at least just as much credence to my theory as there to the other one. Because 'good wholesome church going white Americans' are not the ones who tend to be rebellious & want to oppose the system & stand up for what they believe in. (That's not a diss on white people by the way, I myself am white & am not ashamed of it I'm just describing the stereotyped persona.) That kind of stuff generally tends to make people into sheep who pride themselves on doing what they're told. So Alex Jones & the rest in my view can stick it cause in my view they're hurting, not helping with that.
Now does that mean I support some robber barron global system that's dedicated to the enslavement of all human? NO, of course not! But I believe in personal soveirgnty over national soveirgnty & human rights over patriotism. So I think people should be talking about why so many Mexicans are so poor & are dying to come here when there really should be enough resources on this planet for everyone & who is behind it & what to do about. Rather than blaming them. & also as far as I see it all the La Raza Mexican nationalist pride stuff is mainly about self-esteem as oppressed people tend to represent themselves in this way. By & large, except for the criminals who I believe are a minority in the group, they need to be educated of the whole scenario of what's going on so that they can help us but no one in their right mind with any self-esteem is gonna listen to some guy who wants agents to come & arrest them & deport them or hold them & their family in a camp & say that's my friend. & that's where the sense of supremacy comes in in my view.
Now does that mean I support some robber barron global system that's dedicated to the enslavement of all human? NO, of course not! But I believe in personal soveirgnty over national soveirgnty & human rights over patriotism. So I think people should be talking about why so many Mexicans are so poor & are dying to come here when there really should be enough resources on this planet for everyone & who is behind it & what to do about. Rather than blaming them. & also as far as I see it all the La Raza Mexican nationalist pride stuff is mainly about self-esteem as oppressed people tend to represent themselves in this way. By & large, except for the criminals who I believe are a minority in the group, they need to be educated of the whole scenario of what's going on so that they can help us but no one in their right mind with any self-esteem is gonna listen to some guy who wants agents to come & arrest them & deport them or hold them & their family in a camp & say that's my friend. & that's where the sense of supremacy comes in in my view.