If you can stomach Fox

[Ry]

Hezbollah didn't start the war last Summer Israel did by invading Lebanon. The captured prisoner thing does not fly as Israel has thousands of prisoners. And those men who were taken By Hezbollah were taken in Lebano where Israel still has an illegal military occupation and it was Israel who used DU cluster bombs and targeted and killed over 1,000 civilians.

Why doesn:t someone just anyone say Israle has a racial occupation in Palestine. ?

[Irie Dave]

Not a very good interview for Paul, O'reilly['s staff] trapped him.

Not true, Paul defeated every trap. He could have done better & talked about more but you can't say that he lost, even O'Reilly had to concede that "thank you for the lively debate" at the end to save face.

[ect]

Ron Paul started talking about the history of US intervention in Iran, and O'Reilly had the audacity to say he doesn't need a "history lesson".

Two things.

1. No biggie, but I think he actually said "WE don't need..."....he does that a lot. He includes himself with "the American people".

This is another technique that is like transfer, the dumbed down fox audiences feel like their part of something, so he reinforces and legitimizes his belief....by tranferring it to the American people as a whole. This strengthens, legitimizes, and/or confuses the unsuspecting and reinforces their cognitive dissonance.

2. The "wipe off the map" lie. O'reilly phuqed up big time. Notice he doesn't say that at first, he says something similar, as Paul counters, O'reilly gets desperate and says it under his breath because he knows it's a lie, but doesn't know where to go with it.

He was nervous, because he was scripted, and because he is regurgitating what somebody else has told him, his perception of the truth has no conviction, it's sloppy, and as such loses it's credibility in his own mind....so he scrambles and says it anyways. Like Hannity, most likely trained in the same techniques, he makes his point, and then tries to shout his repetitive talking point, while simultaneously changing the subject.

These techniques, used in a live setting, are fun to watch for students of psyop, like watching your opponent's plays in slow motion before a game. You see their mistakes and learn to exploit them.

Propaganda must be boomerang proof. These guys are amateurs and it shows. However, the typical fox audience, watches fox, because they have invested so much into the lie, it's too embarassing for them to admit they were gullible enough to be duped, therefore they need reinforcement from the outlets they trusted in the first place.

[Ry]

Paul quotes a source the CIA Bill has no sorce he just said "everybody syas" it is 5 years.

Ever watch out foxed? they are famouse for saying "some people say" or "everybody says"


by the way as Scott Ritter pointed out 10 years away means point Zero tbecause that is how long it takes to build a bomb if you have nothing. So 10 years is as long as possible.

[ect]

Let's just pound the nails into the already buried coffin.

Here is Bush in 1999.

"Iran has made rapid strides in its missile program, and Iraq persists in a race to do the same." - George W. Bush, "A Period of Consequences", The Citadel , September 23, 1999

Rummie would like this one.

Golly gosh gee willickers, if "rapid strides" means that in 8 years Iran doesn't have a nuke, then we can sleep comfortably knowing that when the neocon jihadists tell us the mushroom clouds are 45 minutes away, we are probably looking at over 8 years or more.

rapid stride = 8 years and counting

45 minutes = you'll have grey hairs first

[Gixxer]

Ron could have shut oreilly down if he would have called him on the destroying israel qoute. either way RP looked good and had a clear message.