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Post by Gyps » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:08 am

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WillWorkForBread wrote:so when are we gonna hear about why we need an electoral college? i've always hated the idea and thought we should get rid of it... but at the same time i figured there has got to be a *very* good reason it's still around...
We should get rid of it and find good leaders, not this bullshit "consensus" form of government where nothing gets done until it is too late, and even then the masses fail to do what is right.
yep. see my party's take on that. it should be easier for people to fire elected officials. if it is a true democracy, why the hell do we have to wait out an arbitrary and rtificial term limit to get rid of someone who is not performing up to standard?

i neglected to mention that getting rid of the electoral college would probably also make voter fraud and counting corruption a little more difficult...case in point being the manipulations surrounding FL and OH in 2002 and 2004.
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Post by Ry » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:31 pm

In fact, the electoral college allows for district rezoning that can and does skew results in many states. Have you seen some of the erm oddly shaped districts? Anything that can eliminate the risks of manipulation needs to be considered, including elimination of the college.
Tha this not true, it is a winner take all system. Whoever wins the state gets all of its votes.

If large populations got to make all the decisions and elect all the officilas then we would be beholden to places like California Texas and Florida. I shutter at the tought of it. I can't stand the liberal economic policies of California or its herd like mob of hyper consumerists. They are farther in debt than any other state. This is a state that allowed slavery longer than any other state. Continued killing Native American in the 1940s and used chinese slaver as well as african slavery.

There is a problem with Gerrymandering.
This is where the real small-state vs large state issue comes into play and this was the biggest struggle the founders had in defining the idea of an electoral college.

The first hurdle they had to get past though was due largely in part to the issue of slave states, largely the southern states, who argued that because they had fewer people yet more wealth their votes should count for more somehow. Boy some things never change, eh? In the end a compromise had to be negotiated to even get them past this issue.
This is not true as all the states had slaves. This is the 1700s not 1860 America. The Protestant South did not want to be bent to the will of the Catholic North who had an enflux of immigrations from many places that did not even speak english (Italy and Poland) and voted for whoever their factory employer told them to vote for.

Large states do have more say in the congress and equal say in the senate. However the electorial college prevents the tryanny of the majority.

Look at it this way. On average, we know that people are dumb. Last election Bush won an overwelming majority of the population because all of the gay hating christian country bumpkins voted for him as did the wealthy who got his tax cuts. The more power taken away from the majority the better. Image

why even listen to the concerns of a smaller state when you know you can cater to the larger ones at their exspense.

The state example with counties could be taken at the federal level just make counties the states and the state the frederal gov. We had a war about this already.

I would like to see run off voting. If you just make it a strict popuar vote then you are reducing america to its lowest common denominator and that is pretty low. It would be a rule of the mob.
There is plenty of anecdotal reference to the amount of time and energy candidates spend on the larger states but no factual proof. And it is a logical assumption that if there were a populace vote this would cease if in fact it even exists. And if this is true, why the popularity of and focus on the states with disproportionate electoral votes in the primaries?
That makes no sense. There is proof that candidates spend more time in cetrtain larger states its is no secret you can just ask the candidates where they were. If it was a populous vote then it would be even worse. Because other states would not even matter. The entire West would not be worth the time it took to travel there. The government is over then land not just the people. We can lets hords dominate the outliying territories the way Greek city poluses turned their surounding towns into slaves and tools.
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Post by WillWorkForBread » Tue Dec 06, 2005 8:31 pm

This is off-topic... but I'm wondering what the grey districts/counties (dunno the difference :lol: ) on that map mean. I live in Erie County - the grey one in Western New York... just curious...
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Post by misanthropicskin » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:38 am

brimofinsanity wrote:i propose a new political party as well.... one single point is all that is necessary...

ABOLISH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND STATE GOVERNMENTS


direct, local democracy will rule each region of the united states, and TRUE freedom, democracy, and self-autonomy will be established.
It was Called Posse Commitatus. Martyrs include Gordon Kahle, shot down by Federal Marshals in the 1980s.

read more here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a393239870efb.htm

dont bother searching for an organizational webpage. the one bearing that name links to the post-Buttler Aryan Nations under August Kriss the weirdo that wants to ally with Bin Laden.
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Re: I'm starting a new political party....

Post by misanthropicskin » Thu Dec 15, 2005 10:44 am

Gyps wrote:
14. intolerance of hatred, racism, bigotry, and inequality period.
Being intollerant of intollerance is a little... i dont even know a good word for it. backward, maybe. Just remember, by not supporting Zionist war you're 2 steps from being labled an anti-Semetic Nazi. Particularly with your 20-point "america first" platform, which really isn't all that different from the National Socialist platform. And under your plan, there would be zero-tollerance for that. Every time you come up with an ideology or plan which will fundamentally alter our current situation, just remember -- you will not always be in power. What will others do with the infrastructure which you have layed down?
Thro the Heaven & Earth & Hell
Thou shalt neer quell
I will fly & thou pursue
Night & Morn the flight renew

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