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Post by Phys » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:58 pm

Ry wrote:Nah Buddha would be way more pissed off at the system and would say why buy a gun unless you are going to use it to ATTACK the system not Defend yourself from the system.

Hmm.....I somehow dont buy that for a second. He would say dont make weapons or use them.

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Post by Ry » Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm

the shooter in Japan was stopped by unarmed men.

its either no guns or all guns. if you have one place with them and another without that is a disaster waiting to happen.
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Post by Phys » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:05 pm

Ry wrote:the shooter in Japan was stopped by unarmed men.

its either no guns or all guns. if you have one place with them and another without that is a disaster waiting to happen.
Right, and we need a world with no guns, but just because we have guns now doesnt mean that this is something that is embraced by the buddhist philosophy. Which is still nonvioloent, but does allow for the defense of oneself if life, family or honor is threaten. Even then some monks dont believe in any violence whatsoever, it is better to feed a hunger tiger then to kill it for your own self preservation.

Now if we get off philosophy for a min and talk about just daily life that is different. sometimes

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Post by Ry » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:35 pm

Buddhism non-violent? Ever hear of warrior monks. Those guys can kick ass. they just dont believe in unjust violence.
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Post by Ry » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:35 pm

Buddhism non-violent? Ever hear of warrior monks. Those guys can kick ass. they just dont believe in unjust violence. Remember the monk that set himself on fire durring ther Vietnam war to protest?
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Post by Phys » Tue Apr 17, 2007 8:44 pm

Ry wrote:Buddhism non-violent? Ever hear of warrior monks. Those guys can kick ass. they just dont believe in unjust violence. Remember the monk that set himself on fire durring ther Vietnam war to protest?
Phys1905 wrote: Which is still nonvioloent, but does allow for the defense of oneself if life, family or honor is threaten.
They sure can kick some ass, however; they will only do so for the reasons listed above. There are many sects of buddhism, and there are some that believe in no violence whatsoever.

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Post by rory5 » Thu Apr 19, 2007 10:26 am

MY OPINION IS THIS: AS LONG AS THE "POD-PEOPLE" (GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES) HAVE GUNS, THE CITIZENS .......WHO MIGHT SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE FINALLY GET FED UP AND FIGHT TO REGAIN THEIR FREEDOMS FROM THE SCHWARZENEGGER-TYPE PUPPETS...... BETTER ARM THEMSELVES.

THEY'LL NEVER WIN UNLESS THE BRAINWASHED MILITARY TURNS ON THEIR OWN GOV'T; BUT AT LEAST THEY CAN TAKE OUT A FEW OF THE PODS.

As the US gets more and more f*cked up; a little ADVAITA is a good antidote, some stuff from Nisargadatta.

Was there ever a world without troubles? Your being as a person depends on violence to others. Your very body is a battlefield, full of the dead and dying. Existence implies violence. There is little of non-violence in nature. Do you realize that, as long as you have a self to defend, you must be violent? (507)

Punishment is but legalized crime. In a society built on prevention, rather than retaliation, there would be very little crime. The few exceptions will be treated medically, as an unsound mind and body. (512)



The world does not yield to changing. By its very nature it is painful and transient. See it as it is and divest yourself of all desire and fear. When the world does not hold and bind you, it becomes an abode of joy and beauty. You can be happy in the world only when you are free of it. (504)

Causes and results are infinite in number and variety. Everything affects everything. In this universe, when one thing changes, everything changes. Hence the great power of man in changing the world by changing himself. My world has changed completely. Yours remains the same, for you have not changed. [You didn't notice this change] because there was no communion between us. Do not consider yourself as separate from me and we shall at once share in the common state. (490)

Death, Suicide, Reincarnation.

* Death *

It is in the nature of consciousness to survive its vehicles. It is like fire. It burns up the fuel, but not itself. Just like a fire can outlast a mountain of fuel, so does consciousness survive innumerable bodies. (327)

You make yourself mortal by taking yourself to be the body. (363)

You may die a hundred deaths without a break in the mental turmoil. Or you may keep your body and die only in the mind. The death of the mind is the birth of wisdom. (362)

I am dead already. Physical death will make no difference in my case. I am timeless being. I am free of desire or fear, because I do not remember the past, or imagine the future. Where there are no names and shapes, how can there be desires andfear? With desirelessness comes timelessness. I am safe, because what is not cannot touch what is. You feel unsafe, because you imagine danger. Of course, your body as such is complex and vulnerable and needs protection. But not you. Once you realize your own unassailable being, you will be at peace. (260)

What is birth and death but the beginning and the ending of a stream of events in consciousness? (147)

[When an ordinary man dies] according to his belief it happens. As life before death is but imagination, so is life after. The dream continues. The gnani does not die because he was never born. (261)

When somebody dies, nothing happens. Something becomes nothing. Nothing was, nothing remains. (91)

Only the dead can die, not the living. That which is alive in you is immortal. (407)

It is the changing that dies. The immutable neither lives nor dies; it is the timeless witness of life and death. You cannot call it dead, for it is aware. Nor can you call it alive, for it does not change. (433)

Nothing dies. The body is just imagined. There is no such thing. (361)

In reality there is no killing and no dying. The real does not die, the unreal never lived. (234)

I am told I was born. I do not remember. I am told I shall die. I do not expect it. You tell me I have forgotten or I lack imagination. But I just cannot remember what never happened, nor expect the patently impossible. Bodies are born and bodies die, but what is it to me? Bodies come and go in consciousness, and consciousness itself has its roots in me. I am life, and mine are mind and body. (94)

You can't help surviving! The real you is timeless and beyond birth and death. And the body will survive as long as it is needed. It is not important that it should live long. A full life is better than a long life. (315)

Misery is to be born, not to die. (181)

I do not look at death as a calamity, as I do not rejoyce a the birth of a child. The child is out for trouble, while the dead is out of it. Attachment to life is attachment to sorrow. We love what gives pain. Such is our nature. (418)

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Post by ledskof » Thu Apr 19, 2007 12:21 pm

not to attempt to hijack the thread, but the fighting monks are/were awesome.

From what I've read martial arts was introduced because bodiharma found that all the monks at the Shaolin temple were unhealthy and feeble. This lead to Kung Fu, originating from the Shaolin temple, which from there started scientific martial arts all throughout Asia.

The monks were definitely not above fighting. But the were above killing. They would only maim their opponents instead of killing. Killing would be a very serious last resort in an unavoidable situation.

It doesn't mean all Buddhists are that way but I do not think Buddha would have suggested that people just suffer and watch other people suffer while doing nothing if there was some way to correct the situation.

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Post by Saint » Thu Apr 19, 2007 4:40 pm

quoting Dr. Yang Jwing Ming

"Before 527 AD the Xiao Lin Temple existed as a buddisht monestary where worship and religious teachings were done. But in 527 AD Xiao Lin Temple made the first step twords including martial arts as a course of study. That year a Indian Buddhist named Da Mo arrived to teach at the temple. While practicing he noticed that the monks were very weak; as a result he decided to help them. Da Mo then locked himself in a room for nine years of meditation to find a way of helping the monks. When he came out he wrote down his results in 2 books. Shi Sui Ching and Yi Gin Ching. The Shi Sui CHing was primarily a religious treatise explainging methods for developing the buddhist spirit while the Yi Gin Ching taught ways to strengthen the physical body. The Yin Gin Ching was taught for generations in the Xiao Lin Temple to increase the health and strength of monks.

The monks started practicing Da Mo's methods and soon found that they had gained enormously in strength. After this the monks began developing martial arts forms to complement their power. This process was kept up for hundreds of years until the Xiao Lin system became the greatest martial art organization in China. Even after the Xiao Lin became the greatest in China, it kept improving for hundreds of years.

In the 10th century the Xiao Lin Temple had established a few more temples in various places around China. The temples which existed taught external Wu Su and internal Wu Su; usually one system was taught and emphasized before the other. One temple which practiced internal Wu Su Before external Wu Su was located on Wu Dan mountain (note by saint- Crouching tiger, Hidden Dragon) in Fu Bei province. Roughly , the external style emphasized perfecting technique before developing internal power; likewise, the internal style emphasized building up internal power before perfecting the external technique. The internal system of the Xiao Lin Temple was the forerunner of present day internal styles like Tai Chi and Ba Kua.

Seven hundred years after Da Mo first arrived in at the Xiao Lin Temple, Eagle Claw was created by Yeuh Fei during the Sung Dynasty (960-1279 AD). Yeuh Fei at the time began to teach his soldiers two systems of martial arts, using as a foundation the Xiao Lin that was taught to him by Chou Ton; Chou Ton learned his martial arts directly from the Xiao Lin Temple. The first system Yeuh Fei Taught was from the internal style and based on Da Mo's Yi Gin Ching. This system is the parent of the present day style of Hsing I"

But more important to this story, General Yeuh Fei used his external foundation to create the style of Eagle Claw. Yeuhs' Eagle Claw gave a special place to Chin Na (note by Saint- Chin Na...literally "to Sieze and Control") within the style. The success of Yeuhs' Eagle Claw - trained troops soon made the new style a well known and respected division. "

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We'll call that part 1. This does not include the introduction of long fist, a northern style, introduced around the same time as Eagle Claw. They all share the same origins. India and Da Mo, and Buddhism. We can argue that he did not spend 9 years locked in a room, but I would refer you to the history of a japanese swordman "Miyamoto Musashi" who disapperad into the mountains for many years and returned with his book "Go Rin No Sho" or a "book of 5 rings" which detailed the sword techniques he used to remain undeafeted after hundreds of challengs. He is known as the greatest swordsman who has ever lived and twords the end of his days of sword fighting took to using a wooden sword against "real" swords in combat...and not only still won, but killed quite a few of the challengers as well.

The chinese history part II would be alot to type, and since I have to source from books for this I have to type it by hand. Since the site is not related to this if you all would like the rest of the information I will enter it, but do not wish to detreact from the purpose of the Forum. Lemme know if you are all so interested, as I will gladly enter the info here. :)
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Post by faceless » Thu Apr 19, 2007 5:52 pm

Saint wrote:The worst thing you can do to someone who understands combat is extend yourself to them. It is an invitation, for a dislocated joint, or a divided muscle, or an attack on your nervous system
wise words - pity you don't observe them more closely...

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