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[Iconoclast]

Those who like to kick people when they are down are the most worthless of all.

Of course, these people are down because it is their natural place in the scheme of things, not because of this misfortune. Do I need to incessently remind you that these saints that are held down really enjoy rape, plunder, cannabalism, and violence against those who are supposed to save them.

You're right. Lets help every sycophant that comes our way.

[Dilapidated Nation]

Those who like to kick people when they are down are the most worthless of all.

Of course, these people are down because it is their natural place in the scheme of things, not because of this misfortune. Do I need to incessently remind you that these saints that are held down really enjoy rape, plunder, cannabalism, and violence against those who are supposed to save them.

You're right. Lets help every sycophant that comes our way.

anyone else getting the urge to beat the shit out of Iconoclast and toss him in with the rest of his "so-called weaklings"?

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are coming off as a total ass.

[Iconoclast]

Those who like to kick people when they are down are the most worthless of all.

Of course, these people are down because it is their natural place in the scheme of things, not because of this misfortune. Do I need to incessently remind you that these saints that are held down really enjoy rape, plunder, cannabalism, and violence against those who are supposed to save them.

You're right. Lets help every sycophant that comes our way.

anyone else getting the urge to beat the shit out of Iconoclast and toss him in with the rest of his "so-called weaklings"?

I understand the point you are trying to make, but you are coming off as a total ass.

How am I supposed to get my point across without being sacrificing my integrity?

[Ry]

I wonder where one draws the line. A LOT of people are weaker than me but should I not care if they were all killed?

There is nothing wrong with helping people who suffer from natural disasters, but these particular people really don't do much.... why help them?

I realize that the storm didn't have a personified purpose, as I wasn't being literal; but when nature's wrath kicks in and the worthless are affected, is is a waste of resources to give to those who are, by large, undeserving of a mayfly's time.

what we have here are three arguments,
1 A ugenics claim
2 A over population claim
3 A they saw it coming so they should have left (thus no pity)
4 (none of these are racial claims at all.)

I don't feel like Iconoclast and company really mean what they say. (I may be may be wrong) I think they just like to argue and often take the more unpopular or minority positions. Kind of like paying the socratic methods for moral questions.

see many issues like race or religion for example (which we are not talking about here) are fairly set in stone. You should not be racist. However many non-racist don:t really have a logical argument for why not. Now I can give a logical argument for whyt not as can pretty much anyone on this board, but admittedly most people would resort to calling names just calling someone a racist and that is that. This is no better than simply saying you're anti-semitic every time someone even talks about Israel. Or it is like saying you are going to Hell anytime some one talks about a religion other than Christianity.

So, just saying that humanity is reason enough to save everyone for every reason, is not goos enough an answer for some people. Or maybe it is but they would still like to know why. Or maybe they know why and they just want to see if another person knows why. A kind of, are you doing the right thing for the right reason type of thing.

I have to go duty calls but when i get back I am going to go over these 3 arguments and show why they don't work. with Logical answers. And emotional.

[Ry]

Starting with number 4. I think it is clear everyone is talking about poor people and not race.

Number 3 they saw it coming and should have left.
Well, many people DID leave but that doesn't mean their houses were going to be there when they get back. Other people who probably couldn't leave packed into the super dome. Also none of them knew that the levee would break. The damage on New Orleans was abetted by the levee breaking which was neglected funding for many years. Those who stayed in their homes probably died. Those people have been paying taxes for many generations with the believe that the government was spending the money to prevent disasters. They are by contract part of the United States and have a legal agreement with the federal government to protect their life liberty and prosute of property. I would say Life and Property are in jepordy durring a massive hurricane. Many talented artist, writers, and historians lived in New Orleans not that that makes their lives more valuable than others.



Number 2 Over population in the world. There is not over population in the USA. The marority of the land is not inhabited. Places like China and India and Africa have over population mainly due to religious taboos against birth control. Birth control prevents more births than disater and war put together. With the exception of WWII maybe.The best way to stop over population is condoms and the pill.

Its over population when you exceed your food copacity. But the food supply in many areas is not short because there are too many people. It is short because of a minority ownership over the food and corporate interests that benefit from keeping it scarce. The earth is capable of feeding ten times what we feed. We throw food away in the US. I mean straight from the farm not just from people's plates. We have been all over agrobusiness and how that crap works with drug companies etc on other places on this board. so I leave that alone for now.

1 I have oine minute left to write. So no I will finish this later.

people weak in one time might be valuable given a small invention. Look at all the people who wear eye glasses. With out contacts and glasses they would be nearly useless they would be sweeping the streets. But the smal handicap is corrected and they are now among the most power in society..

ok ok i have to go sorry i have many more examples.

[mediasyko]

Check out the link below, it is a video of police looting a Wal-Mart, along with regular people, who said the police said it was OK!! It's on the video...
http://www.zippyvideos.com/891102377101 ... n-walmart/

Really shows how non-violent the looting really is, why can't they just say people are trying to survive, ya know?

[HORATIO]

Ry,no one needs to have an argument for not being racist,get a fucking grip and stop letting asshole minute men wannabes have a say in things around your space if you actually believe in somethig worthwhile.
Thses extreme right wing fools like ICONOCLAST are just promoting themselves,he doesn't give a shit about anything but his own bullshit self image and being an annoying little cunt to people who are trying to have a proper discussion about what to do about things.

No one needs to defend being against racism,or to tolerate it.Be a fucking man and get rid if fascist assheads and show where you stand.

[Iconoclast]

No one needs to defend being against racism,or to tolerate it.Be a fucking man and get rid if fascist assheads and show where you stand.

"If you're not with us, you're against us"

I enjoy how you support censoring people who don't fit your leftist views. Does anyone notice the emotional outburst?

[Iconoclast]

Check out the link below, it is a video of police looting a Wal-Mart, along with regular people, who said the police said it was OK!! It's on the video...
http://www.zippyvideos.com/891102377101 ... n-walmart/

Really shows how non-violent the looting really is, why can't they just say people are trying to survive, ya know?

Nonviolent as in rape, murder, cannibalism, and shooting at police?

I'm sure stealing televisions is just for survival, ya know?

[Iconoclast]

I am not "right wing". I transcend left-right dichotomies.