Hurricane

[Ry]

"It appears that the money has been moved in the president’s budget to handle homeland security and the war in Iraq, and I suppose that’s the price we pay. Nobody locally is happy that the levees can’t be finished, and we are doing everything we can to make the case that this is a security issue for us."

-- Walter Maestri, emergency management chief for Jefferson Parish, Louisiana; New Orleans Times-Picayune, June 8, 2004.

http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/attytoo ... 02331.html

link people to this page.

[Dissent]

Our country is so much involved into the issues of a foreign country that we forget our own domestic issues. i knew something like this would happen. everything is coming from behind us and its hurting us all. a city will be abondoned, diseases will start coming out, and gas prices will go higher. this is a bad year for the president.

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If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break,
If it keeps on rainin', levee's goin' to break,
When The Levee Breaks I'll have no place to stay

Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Mean old levee taught me to weep and moan,
Got what it takes to make a mountain man leave his home,
Oh, well, oh, well, oh, well.

Don't it make you feel bad
When you're tryin' to find your way home,
You don't know which way to go?
If you're goin' down South
They go no work to do,
If you don't know about Chicago.

Cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
Now, cryin' won't help you, prayin' won't do you no good,
When the levee breaks, mama, you got to move.

All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
All last night sat on the levee and moaned,
Thinkin' about me baby and my happy home.
Going, going to Chicago... Going to Chicago... Sorry but I can't take you...
Going down... going down now... going down....

-When the levee breaks
-Led Zeppelin

[mediasyko]

On June 5th Foxed aired a movie called "Oil Storm". It was a dramatized documentary about a what happens when a category 6 hurricane slams into the Gulf Coast crushing Louisiana and crippling the vital pipeline that is Port Fourchon. It examines the ripple effect and the ensuing cascade of disasters associated with it.

The country reels from the loss of life and energy reserves associated with the hurricane's fury, the price of crude oil skyrockets and the United States gov't sets forth to take immediate action. The price per gallon passes $3.00 and the US reaches out to it's good friends, Saudi Arabia, to increase oil production. Which outrages Muslim population and continues challenges on the war in Iraq.
to read more about the movie go <a href=http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/origina ... n.html>Oil Storm</a> Look at the trailer and photos. Does it seem to look a lot like CNN today?

The most revealing thing in this film is that the hurricane happens Sept. 5th 2005. How is it possible that this film be so close to accuracy? Granted that this film was made by FOX it seems to reek of conditioning propaganda, preparing people to deal with events that could happen in the not so far future.

I thought it was the funniest thing yesterday when I heard some Bush supporter make a sarcastic statement suggesting that Bush caused the hurricane, like it was just another liberal conspiracy. But when I remembered this film and looked to find what the exact name of it was I was shocked at my findings. This coinsidence is just all to convienient for Bush. He has come out of his over extended vactation, away from the protestors, and ordered to tap into oil reserves. People in the Gulf are stranded, and there is more media coverage on the military action needed to control looting than their urgent deployment to repair the damaged levy and save the people. How is it that the last hurricane that hit Florida warned people to evacuate safely days ahead of time and was less severe? Why was funding cut to repairing and maintaining the levy just years before?

It leads me to so many questions. Is it possible to control weather? Can a nuclear weapon detonated in the ocean create a storm? Could this be nuclear attack people have been speculating about? If it was a natural disaster, just how far ahead are hurricanes detected, and can you determine their direct course and destruction? How can a film from the far right television station predict events that would happen 3 months ahead of time? So many questions, so little time to research all the answers ( I have a life too), but if anyone else can come up with ideas on this please let me know!!

[Ry]

Nah it is easy to predict hurricanes. I know from living on an island for the majority of my life. Hurricanes are seasonal August 2 to October 30 is hurricane season with the ones in the middle striking florida and the gulf mostly.

Don't let them blame the hurricane for everything. I predicted this gas shift a while back gas will be 3.00 a gallon soon and I explained away the economic jibberish thrown on to the hurricane here a few days ago viewtopic.php?t=305 man it is nice to have a site that does not get deleted, so you can point and say We told you so.

the economic impacts have more to do with our meddling ing the Middle East than on the storm.

Remember the shift went 59 to 65 dollars a barrle BEFORE the hurricane and they blamed it on the death of the Suadi King which had nothing to do with it. The real deal was Unocal Chevron rejecting China's bid on them even when it was worth an extra Billion dollars.

The shift for 65 to 70 is no larger than what was happening anyway.

[Ry]

"No one can say they didn't see it coming"
In 2001, FEMA warned that a hurricane striking New Orleans was one of the three most likely disasters in the U.S. But the Bush administration cut New Orleans flood control funding by 44 percent to pay for the Iraq war.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/blumenthal ... _np.html?x

[Dilapidated Nation]

Anybody heard that Bush is going to start using our Petroleum reserves to keep his presidency afloat...I mean to help the American people pay for gas.
How much of the reserves do you think he will use up? 5% 20, 40...all of it? Correct me if i am wrong but wasn't the Petroleum reserve created to keep the nation running in an EMERGENCY? not so that Single White Males could fill up their SUVs without fear of emptying their wallet.

It really appears as if this Administration is trying to sabotage all future ones

[Dissent]

well i was planning this weekend to take a trip to the desert and stop by the casinos but i guess thats not happening. gas is to high im taking the train from now on.

[Dissent]

any sign of an iraq pull out? nah...not even, i heard about 6,000 reservist from LA could have been helping out with the recovery but instead they are doing full time duty in iraq.

[mediasyko]

By the end of the conversation, both the mayor and the interviewer are weeping.


Mayor to feds: 'Get off your asses'
Transcript of radio interview with New Orleans' Nagin

(CNN) -- New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin blasted the slow pace of federal and state relief efforts in an expletive-laced interview with local radio station WWL-AM.

The following is a transcript of WWL correspondent Garland Robinette's interview with Nagin on Thursday night. Robinette asked the mayor about his conversation with President Bush:

NAGIN: I told him we had an incredible crisis here and that his flying over in Air Force One does not do it justice. And that I have been all around this city, and I am very frustrated because we are not able to marshal resources and we're outmanned in just about every respect.

You know the reason why the looters got out of control? Because we had most of our resources saving people, thousands of people that were stuck in attics, man, old ladies. ... You pull off the doggone ventilator vent and you look down there and they're standing in there in water up to their freaking necks.

And they don't have a clue what's going on down here. They flew down here one time two days after the doggone event was over with TV cameras, AP reporters, all kind of goddamn -- excuse my French everybody in America, but I am pissed.

WWL: Did you say to the president of the United States, "I need the military in here"?

NAGIN: I said, "I need everything."

Now, I will tell you this -- and I give the president some credit on this -- he sent one John Wayne dude down here that can get some stuff done, and his name is [Lt.] Gen. [Russel] Honore.

And he came off the doggone chopper, and he started cussing and people started moving. And he's getting some stuff done.

They ought to give that guy -- if they don't want to give it to me, give him full authority to get the job done, and we can save some people.

WWL: What do you need right now to get control of this situation?

NAGIN: I need reinforcements, I need troops, man. I need 500 buses, man. We ain't talking about -- you know, one of the briefings we had, they were talking about getting public school bus drivers to come down here and bus people out here.

I'm like, "You got to be kidding me. This is a national disaster. Get every doggone Greyhound bus line in the country and get their asses moving to New Orleans."

That's -- they're thinking small, man. And this is a major, major, major deal. And I can't emphasize it enough, man. This is crazy.

I've got 15,000 to 20,000 people over at the convention center. It's bursting at the seams. The poor people in Plaquemines Parish. ... We don't have anything, and we're sharing with our brothers in Plaquemines Parish.

It's awful down here, man.

WWL: Do you believe that the president is seeing this, holding a news conference on it but can't do anything until [Louisiana Gov.] Kathleen Blanco requested him to do it? And do you know whether or not she has made that request?

NAGIN: I have no idea what they're doing. But I will tell you this: You know, God is looking down on all this, and if they are not doing everything in their power to save people, they are going to pay the price. Because every day that we delay, people are dying and they're dying by the hundreds, I'm willing to bet you.

We're getting reports and calls that are breaking my heart, from people saying, "I've been in my attic. I can't take it anymore. The water is up to my neck. I don't think I can hold out." And that's happening as we speak.

You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

NAGIN: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it.

And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives.

And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people.

In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there.

So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.

WWL: Why couldn't they drop the 3,000-pound sandbags or the containers that they were talking about earlier? Was it an engineering feat that just couldn't be done?

NAGIN: They said it was some pulleys that they had to manufacture. But, you know, in a state of emergency, man, you are creative, you figure out ways to get stuff done.

Then they told me that they went overnight, and they built 17 concrete structures and they had the pulleys on them and they were going to drop them.

I flew over that thing yesterday, and it's in the same shape that it was after the storm hit. There is nothing happening. And they're feeding the public a line of bull and they're spinning, and people are dying down here.

WWL: If some of the public called and they're right, that there's a law that the president, that the federal government can't do anything without local or state requests, would you request martial law?

NAGIN: I've already called for martial law in the city of New Orleans. We did that a few days ago.

WWL: Did the governor do that, too?

NAGIN: I don't know. I don't think so.

But we called for martial law when we realized that the looting was getting out of control. And we redirected all of our police officers back to patrolling the streets. They were dead-tired from saving people, but they worked all night because we thought this thing was going to blow wide open last night. And so we redirected all of our resources, and we hold it under check.

I'm not sure if we can do that another night with the current resources.

And I am telling you right now: They're showing all these reports of people looting and doing all that weird stuff, and they are doing that, but people are desperate and they're trying to find food and water, the majority of them.

Now you got some knuckleheads out there, and they are taking advantage of this lawless -- this situation where, you know, we can't really control it, and they're doing some awful, awful things. But that's a small majority of the people. Most people are looking to try and survive.

And one of the things people -- nobody's talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that's why we were having the escalation in murders. People don't want to talk about this, but I'm going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that's the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They're looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don't have anything to take the edge off. And they've probably found guns. So what you're seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don't have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we're not overrun.

WWL: Well, you and I must be in the minority. Because apparently there's a section of our citizenry out there that thinks because of a law that says the federal government can't come in unless requested by the proper people, that everything that's going on to this point has been done as good as it can possibly be.

NAGIN: Really?

WWL: I know you don't feel that way.

NAGIN: Well, did the tsunami victims request? Did it go through a formal process to request?

You know, did the Iraqi people request that we go in there? Did they ask us to go in there? What is more important?

And I'll tell you, man, I'm probably going get in a whole bunch of trouble. I'm probably going to get in so much trouble it ain't even funny. You probably won't even want to deal with me after this interview is over.

WWL: You and I will be in the funny place together.

NAGIN: But we authorized $8 billion to go to Iraq lickety-quick. After 9/11, we gave the president unprecedented powers lickety-quick to take care of New York and other places.

Now, you mean to tell me that a place where most of your oil is coming through, a place that is so unique when you mention New Orleans anywhere around the world, everybody's eyes light up -- you mean to tell me that a place where you probably have thousands of people that have died and thousands more that are dying every day, that we can't figure out a way to authorize the resources that we need? Come on, man.

You know, I'm not one of those drug addicts. I am thinking very clearly.

And I don't know whose problem it is. I don't know whether it's the governor's problem. I don't know whether it's the president's problem, but somebody needs to get their ass on a plane and sit down, the two of them, and figure this out right now.

WWL: What can we do here?

NAGIN: Keep talking about it.

WWL: We'll do that. What else can we do?

NAGIN: Organize people to write letters and make calls to their congressmen, to the president, to the governor. Flood their doggone offices with requests to do something. This is ridiculous.

I don't want to see anybody do anymore goddamn press conferences. Put a moratorium on press conferences. Don't do another press conference until the resources are in this city. And then come down to this city and stand with us when there are military trucks and troops that we can't even count.

Don't tell me 40,000 people are coming here. They're not here. It's too doggone late. Now get off your asses and do something, and let's fix the biggest goddamn crisis in the history of this country.

WWL: I'll say it right now, you're the only politician that's called and called for arms like this. And if -- whatever it takes, the governor, president -- whatever law precedent it takes, whatever it takes, I bet that the people listening to you are on your side.

NAGIN: Well, I hope so, Garland. I am just -- I'm at the point now where it don't matter. People are dying. They don't have homes. They don't have jobs. The city of New Orleans will never be the same in this time.

WWL: We're both pretty speechless here.

NAGIN: Yeah, I don't know what to say. I got to go.

WWL: OK. Keep in touch. Keep in touch.




Find this article at:
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/02/nagin. ... index.html

[mediasyko]

From: Jeffrey Holmes
Sent: Friday, September 2, 2005 9:28 AM
To:
Subject: NOLA BEING DENIED SUPPLIES - PLEASE HELP SPREAD WORD

Hello everyone,
please pass this on to anyone you know, especially the media!!!!!
and the link: getyouracton.com
Thank you all for your generosity!!

jeffrey


Begin forwarded message:

Date: September 1, 2005 9:47:52 PM CDT
To: [email protected]
Subject: [NOLA_C3_Discussion] NOLA BEING DENIED SUPPLIES - PLEASE HELP SPREAD WORD
Reply-To: [email protected]

There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans,
but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting
anyone in or out. They are turning away people with supplies, claiming
it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in
Iraq, certainly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment
is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now
sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as
posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the
people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not.
Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not
let any more of my friends die.

I can be reached at 254.640.8441 - feel free to call me or give my
number to any media that needs a contact person to talk to.

Here is my message:

I am a resident of the Bywater in New Orleans (9th Ward). I am one of
the lucky ones that was able to evacuate before the storm.

I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New
Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when
they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts
and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these
people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.

The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in
or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not
bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is
not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New
Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the
United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy
fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping
supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter
would be from semi-automatics.

Our government is killing the people of New Orleans. By witholding
supplies, they are ensuring more deaths, and I hold them complicit.

Please bring this matter to the attention of the people of the United
States. They need to know that New Orleans is deliberatly being denied
food and water. Perhaps if the people there had food and water, they
might not be shooting off guns.

Please feel free to call me for further information or with any
questions. I appreciate your attention to this most serious matter.

I fear for my friends.

Sincerely,

Andrea Garland
Get Your Act On! (getyouracton.com)


On another note, Jeffrey and I are in the process of getting a large
vehicle and loading it up with donated supplies needed for longer term
cleanup efforts (generators, chain saws, solar cooking equipment,
etc.). Some basic info and a paypal link is at Get Your Act On!(getyouracton.com and more detailed
info will be posted later. Please help spread the word about this, as
well. We live 6 blocks from one of the hardest hit areas in New
Orleans, so we intend to bring these necessary tools to our neighbors.

Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited
part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to
prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently
they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now
I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our
government.

C3 means Concern, Community, and Compassion.