Im new on this forum and I think its absolutely wonderful. Ive learned so much since I joined here. I was looking over one of the topics in the 9/11 Sections and saw some discussion about how the Loose Change boys left out Israel's involvement. I messaged Jason Bermas on MySpace asking him why there was no mention of Israeli foreknowledge in any of the Loose Change films and this was his response....
"Theres not a lot to go on, and it was also one of the things that got cut because its murky. The Odigo thing is intresting and so is the dancing Israeli angle, but no hard proof exists. On top of that they warned us like many other foreign intelligence agencies. I would say the Pakistani ISI connection is much stronger and will be included in the next film."
I saw this and was kind of shocked to be honest. I sent another message to Jason stating that instead of just mentioning the quote from PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses, they also should of included on the origins of PNAC and the same people who wrote Rebuilding America's Defenses are the same ones who hold Dual Citizenship with Israel and also wrote the Israeli Policy Papers " A Clean Break" back in 1999 which calls for a war with Iraq. Im not trying to jump to conclusions here, but to this message, neither Jason Bermas, Korey Rowe or Dylan Avery responded to it.
I even included the quote from the Israeli Policy Papers which state.....“Israel can shape its strategic environment, in cooperation with Turkey and Jordan, by weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria. This effort can focus on removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq — an important Israeli strategic objective in its own right — as a means of foiling Syria’s regional ambitions.” After discovering so much about the Israeli connection to 9/11 and the following aftermath, I dont know how the hell the Loose Change crew left or unintentionally forgot to add this to their films
A message to to the Loose Change crew
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You're correct, Sypher. But as with the Gergens and Russerts of the world now roaring with mea culpas, what the Loose Change crowd neglect to understand is that the Joe Packs of the US are starting to catch onto the abdication of US interests for Israel's.
They dont fault Israel for having its own interests. What they object to is having those interests supersede OUR interests. And having to pay for it at an extraordinary premium when US citizens are deprived of services those dollars could go to. EG Katrina, universal health care, etc.
The Fox News Series was clear (see the left panel on informationclearinghouse.com). Discussing Israel's involvement in 911 at the time was career suicide.
Who thought I would praise Jimmy Carter? His appearance on Meet The Press this AM widened the dialogue about just what the hell we are doing with Israel. No wonder previous presidents have called Jimmy Carter one of the smartest men they ever knew. If you haven't seen the Dec 3, 2006 MTP, cruise on over to msnbc and watch it. The guy's got balls, and he has the gravitas to hold them in testament.
They dont fault Israel for having its own interests. What they object to is having those interests supersede OUR interests. And having to pay for it at an extraordinary premium when US citizens are deprived of services those dollars could go to. EG Katrina, universal health care, etc.
The Fox News Series was clear (see the left panel on informationclearinghouse.com). Discussing Israel's involvement in 911 at the time was career suicide.
Who thought I would praise Jimmy Carter? His appearance on Meet The Press this AM widened the dialogue about just what the hell we are doing with Israel. No wonder previous presidents have called Jimmy Carter one of the smartest men they ever knew. If you haven't seen the Dec 3, 2006 MTP, cruise on over to msnbc and watch it. The guy's got balls, and he has the gravitas to hold them in testament.
Yeah that reminds me the Loose Change crew didnt even mention the special on Fox News that Carl Cameron did. The 4 part special on the uncovering of the biggest Israeli spy ring ever uncovered inside the US. Yeah your right about the LC boys objecting to Israeli interest superceeding our own. But I will definatly watch the Meet The Press episode with Jimmy Carter. Thanks for the notification on it!aucuneconnerie wrote:You're correct, Sypher. But as with the Gergens and Russerts of the world now roaring with mea culpas, what the Loose Change crowd neglect to understand is that the Joe Packs of the US are starting to catch onto the abdication of US interests for Israel's.
They dont fault Israel for having its own interests. What they object to is having those interests supersede OUR interests. And having to pay for it at an extraordinary premium when US citizens are deprived of services those dollars could go to. EG Katrina, universal health care, etc.
The Fox News Series was clear (see the left panel on informationclearinghouse.com). Discussing Israel's involvement in 911 at the time was career suicide.
Who thought I would praise Jimmy Carter? His appearance on Meet The Press this AM widened the dialogue about just what the hell we are doing with Israel. No wonder previous presidents have called Jimmy Carter one of the smartest men they ever knew. If you haven't seen the Dec 3, 2006 MTP, cruise on over to msnbc and watch it. The guy's got balls, and he has the gravitas to hold them in testament.
Sypher they always try and use the straw man of Odigo and the 5 dancing Israelis. They wil not address the origins of PNAC however. And I have word from a very good source a person who works with Jeff Rense that Loose Change has a Zionist mole and they are part of controlled opposition.
They are not going to answer you about PNAC I post it on their own forum and I have had plenty of people contact them on myspace. They will not add me as you notice because I could then post somethng as a comment on their page.
They are shills. I was up in the air about it. Now I am sure about it. Trust me they didn't forget to add anything. And its not like they didn't have time. They talked about PNAC for like 10 minutes without mentioning who wrote it. They also wasted time talking about a missile hitting the Pentagon. I have a clear cut case of the Zionist planning both 911 and the war in Iraq. They can not refute it. What they are doing is ignoring it.
Their theory was just wrong and if they added anything about Israel it would change the entire movie. I need to throw together a film. Its a lot more than just PNAC and Clean break I have so much more evidence and its in my book. But people dont read they watch movies. Ill be on the radio Dec 29th on KUCI so wait for that broadcast I am going to cover disinfo and all the rest and the case of Israel.
They are not going to answer you about PNAC I post it on their own forum and I have had plenty of people contact them on myspace. They will not add me as you notice because I could then post somethng as a comment on their page.
They are shills. I was up in the air about it. Now I am sure about it. Trust me they didn't forget to add anything. And its not like they didn't have time. They talked about PNAC for like 10 minutes without mentioning who wrote it. They also wasted time talking about a missile hitting the Pentagon. I have a clear cut case of the Zionist planning both 911 and the war in Iraq. They can not refute it. What they are doing is ignoring it.
Their theory was just wrong and if they added anything about Israel it would change the entire movie. I need to throw together a film. Its a lot more than just PNAC and Clean break I have so much more evidence and its in my book. But people dont read they watch movies. Ill be on the radio Dec 29th on KUCI so wait for that broadcast I am going to cover disinfo and all the rest and the case of Israel.
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Doesn't surprise me, Ry. [The mole.] It 's a good DVD to show absolute ignoramuses for the simple reason of instilling doubt.
Where is that radio station?
I dont believe in the single missile theory, but I dont believe that a monster 757 (or whatever) hit the Pentagon. The photographs taken by the airport fire department people within 10 minutes of the crash convinced me of that. That was BEFORE the Pentagon roof collapsed. [The airport fire department people were the first ones on the scene. They heard the call, were nearby, and appeared. Their evidence was suppressed for over a year; the 911 Commission never interviewed them; even today most people couldn't identify their photographs alongside others.] You can't argue with that kind of photographic evidence no matter how much you might wish to. That lawn was pristine right up to the Pentagon wall. To doubters I say 'splain that Lucy. I've been waiting for a good explanation for five years.
Where is that radio station?
I dont believe in the single missile theory, but I dont believe that a monster 757 (or whatever) hit the Pentagon. The photographs taken by the airport fire department people within 10 minutes of the crash convinced me of that. That was BEFORE the Pentagon roof collapsed. [The airport fire department people were the first ones on the scene. They heard the call, were nearby, and appeared. Their evidence was suppressed for over a year; the 911 Commission never interviewed them; even today most people couldn't identify their photographs alongside others.] You can't argue with that kind of photographic evidence no matter how much you might wish to. That lawn was pristine right up to the Pentagon wall. To doubters I say 'splain that Lucy. I've been waiting for a good explanation for five years.
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Problem is that until the populace feels comfortable knocking Israeli policies, any finger-pointing gets pointed back at you as a gun barrel. Doesn't matter how right you are. But I'm not telling you anything you dont know.I have a clear cut case of the Zionist planning both 911 and the war in Iraq. They can not refute it. What they are doing is ignoring it.
That's the ticket. But time it for late spring.I need to throw together a film.
They had a massive contradiction using info about the hijackers and how they could not have flown a plane into the pentagon as evidence to support the missile theory and then turned around and said oh yeah at least 5 of the said hijackers have been found alive.
The level that the Pentagon strike music video and the loose change video have been promoted and were promoted from the very start if very fishy. And Loose change doesnt say a damn thing that was not already covered in prior 911 films. None of the films talk about Israel.
I am going to have to make a film. I can"t believe it hasn't been done already. Hell I already wrote a script for it.
I got an mp3 (from my crappy mic which broke) about 911 here
The level that the Pentagon strike music video and the loose change video have been promoted and were promoted from the very start if very fishy. And Loose change doesnt say a damn thing that was not already covered in prior 911 films. None of the films talk about Israel.
I am going to have to make a film. I can"t believe it hasn't been done already. Hell I already wrote a script for it.
I got an mp3 (from my crappy mic which broke) about 911 here
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One of the problems that I have with most of the 911 videos is the 'conclusiveness' of them.
Instead of saying 'we were told this' and 'we were told that' but it flies in the face of known [scientific] principles we use to determine X and Y, the majority of these videos seek to arrive at a conclusion. I believe that is the downfall of most of these videos. [I will admit: I am one of those who said "demolition" before the South Tower had reached the ground. I didn't buy any of that shit.]
If ... IF ... military-grade technologies were used, which I believe they were, then there is scant chance that an average reader/viewer is going to buy their usage. What is their frame of reference? Zip. I know first-hand of technologies used 30 years ago in the military that are only now recognized as 2006 techno open-market wonders. Considered avant-garde in 2006! BFD. They are 1970s technology. (One example? Holographic data storage, as in all -- ALL -- government/military data, every fucking shred of it, in one box of slides: 1970s technology. One small example.)
The latest stuff was used in 911. 911 was the Ninth Wonder of the World. But who is going to believe you? How can anyone suss it out? Impossible.
But you should make the film, Ry. The 911 official story falls apart if you frame it as a bunch of questions. And that process is more intellectually honest anyway.
Instead of saying 'we were told this' and 'we were told that' but it flies in the face of known [scientific] principles we use to determine X and Y, the majority of these videos seek to arrive at a conclusion. I believe that is the downfall of most of these videos. [I will admit: I am one of those who said "demolition" before the South Tower had reached the ground. I didn't buy any of that shit.]
If ... IF ... military-grade technologies were used, which I believe they were, then there is scant chance that an average reader/viewer is going to buy their usage. What is their frame of reference? Zip. I know first-hand of technologies used 30 years ago in the military that are only now recognized as 2006 techno open-market wonders. Considered avant-garde in 2006! BFD. They are 1970s technology. (One example? Holographic data storage, as in all -- ALL -- government/military data, every fucking shred of it, in one box of slides: 1970s technology. One small example.)
The latest stuff was used in 911. 911 was the Ninth Wonder of the World. But who is going to believe you? How can anyone suss it out? Impossible.
But you should make the film, Ry. The 911 official story falls apart if you frame it as a bunch of questions. And that process is more intellectually honest anyway.
Damn that would suck if the Loose Change guys are really shills and they have a Zionist mole. LC 2nd Edition was the movie that made me "wake up" to the idea of 9/11 being an inside job. They made it seem as if the Israeli connection to 9/11 is no big deal when I have discovered that it is the main reason for 9/11 happeneing and the people involved in planning it being Zionist. I definatly going to give you book a look Ry and see if my local Borders carries it. Again, thanks for this awesome forum man.Ry wrote:Sypher they always try and use the straw man of Odigo and the 5 dancing Israelis. They wil not address the origins of PNAC however. And I have word from a very good source a person who works with Jeff Rense that Loose Change has a Zionist mole and they are part of controlled opposition.
They are not going to answer you about PNAC I post it on their own forum and I have had plenty of people contact them on myspace. They will not add me as you notice because I could then post somethng as a comment on their page.
They are shills. I was up in the air about it. Now I am sure about it. Trust me they didn't forget to add anything. And its not like they didn't have time. They talked about PNAC for like 10 minutes without mentioning who wrote it. They also wasted time talking about a missile hitting the Pentagon. I have a clear cut case of the Zionist planning both 911 and the war in Iraq. They can not refute it. What they are doing is ignoring it.
Their theory was just wrong and if they added anything about Israel it would change the entire movie. I need to throw together a film. Its a lot more than just PNAC and Clean break I have so much more evidence and its in my book. But people dont read they watch movies. Ill be on the radio Dec 29th on KUCI so wait for that broadcast I am going to cover disinfo and all the rest and the case of Israel.
Dylan I am told is a good guy but they have one among them who is a mole. He is the one creating the straw men and arguing with the crowd of DBS types the people who call everyone on earth a Crypto-Jew.
But they are avoiding the real issue. The reasons we say it was Israel is because of the things I said in my 911 paper and even more reasons which are in my book and on my radio interviews.
I talked with Leuren Moret a Nuclear Scientist who is in the Loose Change Fuinal cut movie and she told me herself that they had a Zionist mole. She promoted my book in Japan and Listened to a 2 hour lecture by her and the translater Yumi, in Japan about DU and the effects of DU. They asked me to dinner after the talk and we discussed a lot of things. I brought up the LC crew and everyone there was clear on it and what they thought about it. I breifly explained my book thesis on 911 and they agreed with that as well. At least one country knows what is going on, Japan. It sure does help to have the absence of Christian Zionism in the country. We really have hardly any monotheists at all. It's rather wonderful.
But they are avoiding the real issue. The reasons we say it was Israel is because of the things I said in my 911 paper and even more reasons which are in my book and on my radio interviews.
I talked with Leuren Moret a Nuclear Scientist who is in the Loose Change Fuinal cut movie and she told me herself that they had a Zionist mole. She promoted my book in Japan and Listened to a 2 hour lecture by her and the translater Yumi, in Japan about DU and the effects of DU. They asked me to dinner after the talk and we discussed a lot of things. I brought up the LC crew and everyone there was clear on it and what they thought about it. I breifly explained my book thesis on 911 and they agreed with that as well. At least one country knows what is going on, Japan. It sure does help to have the absence of Christian Zionism in the country. We really have hardly any monotheists at all. It's rather wonderful.
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