Mark Dice re: Drinking Alex Jones' Tangy Tangerine Koolaid

[Rio]

I haven't had time to watch the video in the OP, butthe Mark Dice's videos where he gets random people on the street to sign ridiculous petitions are classic.

[Phys]

Drew, you post so much stupid shit there was an entire section dedicated to you called "stupid shit" for all the stupid shit Drew post here...

Ry's opinion it is stupid does not make it fact. If you think otherwise, your deductive skills need refining.

I asked you if you believe everyone working for the CIA/FBI is working for this "secret group", but you didnt answer that question

Because other people being good or bad in the CIA-FBI do not relate to whether Alex Jones is connected to the bad guys.

nor do you understand how the questions relates.

As far as I can tell, your attempt to talk about others while we are discussing Alex Jones is a red herring. Show me otherwise. Construct a deductive syllogism that is sound.

Regarding what I said about Fritz Springmeier and vigilantcitizen, here is an old post of mine that applies.

until you have read the following...

1. Bloodlines of the Illuminati by Fritz Springmeier
2. The Illuminati Formula to create a total undetectable mind control slave by Fritz Springmeier
3. The Committee of 300 by John Coleman
4. Hitler was a British Agent by Greg Hallett
5. Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps
6. The Murder of Yhitzak Rabin by Barry Chamish
7. Shabbtai Tzvi Labour Zionism and the holocaust by Barry Chamish
8. The Biggest Secret by David Icke (chapter 9 specifically)
9. Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Anthony Sutton
10. Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins (who endorsed Eric Jon Phelps)
11. Murder by injection by Eustace Mullins
12. Papal Genealogy by G. Williams
13. Transformation of the Republic by C.T. Wilcox
14. Memoirs Illustating the History of Jacobinism by Abbe Barruel
15. Proofs of a Conspiracy by John Robison
16. Light on Masonry by David Bernard
17. Me and Lee by Judyth Baker
18. Circle of Intrigue by Texe Marrs
19. New World Order: Corruption in Canada by Robert O Driscoll
20. Secret Societies and Psychological Warfare by Michael A Hoffman II
21. Masonry Unmasked by John Salza
22. Secrets of the Freemasons by Michael Bradley
23. The Empire of "The City" by E.C. Knuth
24. The Brotherhood by Stephen Knight
25. The Secret Teachings of all Ages by Manly P Hall
26. Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike
27. The Search for the manchurian Candidate: The CIA and mind control by John Marks
28. Virtual Government: CIA Mind Control Operations in America by Alex Constantine
29. The Anglo American Establishment by Carrol Quigley
30. The Bilderberg Group by Daniel Estulin
31. To Eliminate the Opiate v1 and v2 by Marvin Antelman
32. None Dare Call it Consipracy by Gary Allen
33. Tranceformation of America by Cathy O Brien
34. Thanks for the Memories by Brice Taylor
35. Occult Theocracy by Lady Queensborough
36. Secret Societies and Subversive Movements by Nesta Webster
37. The Irish Origins of Civilization by Michael Tsarion
38. Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed

You are simply not fit to comment whether or not Alex Jones is an agent because these books show you the real power in masonry, mind control, banking, and intelligence agencies. You will see how some more modern Jewish and Protestant families have been only recently allowed to marry into older catholic bloodlines that still run things and have going back even before the black nobility of the renaissance era. And when you find that out, by doing timelines and tracing genealogies you find out who is an agent by seeing what and who they refuse to talk about. Again, until you read these books, or even a fraction of them, you are simply not going to get it. Period.

Certainly not, Ry and I don't agree on everything but we do agree a lot more than it may appear to you.

Well Drew, I doubt I would ever meet your qualification for determining if Alex Jones and Mark Dice are CIA agents. I will suggest to you a few books on how to determine what bullshit is and what is worth your or my time reading. I do read some fiction too.

These are a few starter books:
1. Questions that Matter: An Invitation to Philosophy by Ed. Miller
2. Introduction to Logic by Irving M. Copi and Carl Cohen
3. Elements of Knowledge: Pragmatism, Logic, and Inquiry by Franklin Stewart

And for more fun:
1. AN ENQUIRY CONCERNING HUMAN UNDERSTANDING by David Hume

That should be a good start. I will say there are others out there that are much better and there are people able to apply simple logic and reasoning skills without having read these books, but certainly these are interesting. No spooky stories and can be taxing to read but well worth the time.

[Drew J]

I doubt I would ever meet your qualification for determining if Alex Jones and Mark Dice are CIA agents.

Depends on what you have read. You can guess all you want Phys, but that simply won't do. Unless you have done timelines and traced genealogies in those books like I have, you just won't get it.

I will suggest to you a few books on how to determine what bullshit is and what is worth your or my time reading.

1. Questions that Matter: An Invitation to Philosophy by Ed. Miller
2. Introduction to Logic by Irving M. Copi and Carl Cohen
3. Elements of Knowledge: Pragmatism, Logic, and Inquiry by Franklin Stewart

And for more fun:
1. AN ENQUIRY CONCERNING HUMAN UNDERSTANDING by David Hume

I have not read #1. But I took philosophy at school too so don't try fucking this game with me.

Some of the most hard headed people with closed minds that I met were atheist-agnostic philosophy students. One example, some guy fucked up Oxley's videos on youtube by flagging them for no reason just because he didn't like Oxley telling him what books to read or what websites to read for further information on a subject. He basically wanted years of researched condensed, documented, and proven into one paragraph which is absurd. Oxley told him so, showed him how illogical he was and then he got his knickers in a knot and fucked up his videos showing the connection of rogue french intelligence agents to 9-11. It was a video series called THE DARKER SIDE OF 9/11. You can read the exchange quoted here and see what an egomaniac that guy was/is.
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress/?p=18169" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
People also are getting flack for highlighting how the Canadian Military was used to pull off 9-11, but so far it has panned out.
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 14&t=29616" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See what I am getting at? Arrogance just because you went to college and may or may not have taken philosophy.

Another example of such close minded freethinkers/philosophers: Once before a lecture, a couple tried to mock me before class for reading LOVE & DEATH which proved Kurt Cobain did not commit suicide. And I threw the book across the round table at one of them and dared him to read the highlighted parts of chapters four and five before class started. He shut up and gave the book back to me and said, "some other time." Then I asked him if he had read any of the websites that have existed for nearly twenty years. Had he read "Dead Men Don't Pull Triggers." He had read the response to it? Had he read the response to the response? To each question he said no. Chickenshit.

I will say there are others out there that are much better and there are people able to apply simple logic and reasoning skills without having read these books, but certainly these are interesting.

Interesting how people can read the same philosophy books, go thorugh the same kind of lectures at college and yet they come out with different viewpoints.

On the one hand, some believe they don't need to spend years investigating dead journalists, rogue whistleblowers who all collectively have written books on things they were part of, or affected by including masonic lodges, mind control networks, think tanks, intelligence agencies, bloodlines and timelines to figure out runs the world.

On the other hand, I do.

Yet people who don't read or think like I do, got good grades in the high eighties just like me. So what? If you don't have the basic inductive intelligence to figure out that maybe dead journalists were telling the truth and therefore you should investigate their claims further, then guys like me with massive book resources simply can't help you. As I have said before, you wanna talk about American and British elite and even Zionist elite, you will get no argument from me. But if you refuse to go back further in time when there is clearly a paper trial, I am going to let you know.

Your last post simply proved my point. I gave out a bunch of old links exposing Alex Jones and you still haven't touched them. Not going to comment on the backstabbing he did to John Gray? Not going to comment on the GCN-ABC connection? Not going to comment on his connection to the Zionist element of the elite? I have given you easy stuff and you won't even touch that.

[Drew J]

This whole exchange reminds me of the time someone came on here and praised David Irving in conjunction with the theme of holocaust revisionism that has been on this board for a while (and I was the first person to post ANYTHING revisionist on this board). I came on and warned them to beware of David Irving. Then they whipped the same line on me that others do about Alex Jones. "Oh he is a maverick." "Oh he got me started." "Oh others have smeared him." etc etc. "So he must be genuine." I then had to point ttoward to an entire field of research THEY WERE NOT EVEN AWARE OF when it came to the flaws in David Irving's work and personality.
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 0&start=45" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why do I bring this up? To prove I don't have to consistently read philosophy like I did in school in order to come upon other interesting facts that others did not know about before me.

[Phys]

Kudos to your intro to philosophy professor having you read:

2. Introduction to Logic by Irving M. Copi and Carl Cohen
3. Elements of Knowledge: Pragmatism, Logic, and Inquiry by Franklin Stewart

those are typically left to a logic and symbolic logic classes. I wished the world had more science and math skills if I was to pick.

Still great you have read those books, Drew. I doubt we had the same lecture tho.

Drew, you may be one of those crazy kids that has had just enough education to be annoying.
Stop reading brainwashing shit Drew. Do the genealogy, criminal and mental health history for all the authors of the books you read.

Drew? you have shown your hand long ago.
I kind of tune you out like I do Alex Jones and Mark Dice.
Next time instead of throwing a book at someone, make the case yourself.

[Phys]

Drew, one more thing for you as I'm about to leave for the weekend, I did look up the author of your first book there on the list.

Fritz Springmeier says some secret elite have lived on Earth for hundreds of years. He also did 7 yrs in prison for armed robbery. Let me guess? he was framed, DAVID ICKE thinks so.

"Talk about “alternative” media street cred! Everything he says must be true, then."

I don't have time to go down the list but I guess many are buddy's with Alex Jones, I mean CIA agent Jones.
Time for me to go eat some babies and listen to the devil's music. \m/ \m/
Have a great weekend.

[Drew J]

I believe Springmeier was framed. And he was also taken in by the reptilian bullshit by Icke. People make mistakes. For example William Cooper was fed disinformation about UFO's. Usually people who are given disinfo are seen as threats because they are making some hedway and need to have their credibility attacked. Some claim he was framed.
http://henrymakow.com/springmeier.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Some claim they don't know and that Fritz has lied about some things.
http://leavingalexjonestown.blogspot.ca ... soner.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This site has no proof of the things they claim Fritz said or claimed nor do they have any proof about the shit they say about John Todd whose only credit was that the occult elite do have their hand in the entertainment industry and they are not afraid to boast since most of us can't decode their symbolism anyway.

But what I find really weird is that if his two massive books on mind control are fake and there never were any mind control programs, or world wide networks of child abuse that can be linked to masonry, then why has Alex Constantine dug up evidence linking people involved with the "false memory syndrome foundation" to intelligence agencies and child abuse accusations themselves in at least one of his books?
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/falsemem ... 1996.shtml" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Or this.
https://wikispooks.com/ISGP/dutroux_and ... Nebula.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.whale.to/c/reality6.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.whale.to/c/reality6.html#The ... _continued__" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How about how people have been caught covering up what really went on at the McMartin school abuse case?
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/ar ... read=44054" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://tesserae.org/tess/prose/tunnels2.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://henrymakow.com/2013/03/Illuminat ... anism.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.ca/20 ... -part.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How about what salsasas has been exposing
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... hp?t=32356" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How about what Cathy O Brien and Brice Taylor have exposed in their books about mind control and child abuse networks extending into mainstream entertainment? What about Corey Feldman's own words on ABC about pedophilia being rampant in Hollywood?

Why are many things Fritz talked about being shown in sicko Hollywood? Such as this?
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost ... tcount=151" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
For the missing picture, it was a still of feist in a blue dress in the music video 1234 where she was frozen in air. Very interesting as menses says.

Oh and a couple more.
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/3114 ... f-the-web/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/3069 ... g-exposed/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Funny how the kind of things that Fritz and others warned about are actually playing out. Guess Fritz wasn't totally full of shit. I guess I had the intelligence to do with him what I have done with David Irving. Invest a lot of time reading and studying what he said and compared it with what others said to get the best idea of where they stand in terms of reliability and on what issues. Irving is correct about allied atrocities (Dresden), fuckups (PQ 17), internal bickering (war between generals), Jewish communists (Uprising), and yet found to be lacking in some of his work on Hitler and Churchill. As I said nobody is perfect. But I find it very interesting when people can tell me all the good Irving has done but not the other stuff. I guess it's basically because they are honestly ignorant and unaware of good critiques. I'm not the greatest sleuth, but I am not too shabby either.

"Talk about “alternative” media street cred! Everything he says must be true, then."

Maybe you need to hit the philosophy books again to remind yourself of what kind of fallacy you are committing here. I will give you a hint. S-M.

I don't have time to go down the list but I guess many are buddy's with Alex Jones, I mean CIA agent Jones.

Thank you for admitting you are guessing and not actually looking into it now. Kind of like your brief "treatment" of Fritz Springmeier. You clearly have no understanding up the implication of the things he and others like him have tried to expose to a wider audience for years. Which is what I have been saying all along.

[Drew J]

those are typically left to a logic and symbolic logic classes.

And I took symbolic logic.

Drew, you may be one of those crazy kids that has had just enough education to be annoying.

I love it when you flatter me.

Next time instead of throwing a book at someone, make the case yourself.

How else do you expect me to make a case for something if I am not allowed to recommend a book or magazine that has scientific formulas and history behind it such as LOVE AND DEATH the book on the Cobain case or the article DEAD MEN DON'T PULL TRIGGERS written by Roger Lewis?

Do you realize what you are saying? You are demanding that I make a case, but then you cut the ground out from under me which enables me to do so. In fact this is doubly absurd because you seem to betray your implication that book references should not be allowed for me. How you may ask? Easy. I have stated that within that big list of books are books that have huge genealogies of the truly powerful families. Springmeier's books. Gary Allen's books and the one by Williams about papal genealogy are just a few examples. And then you tell me to next time try not throwing books at people. And then later you say genealogy is relevant and suggest I should do some genalogy on the authors I read.

So which is it? Is genealogy relevant or not? You need to make up your mind and fix this cognitive dissonance.

Stop reading brainwashing shit Drew.

So now you are insulting the authors and the statements they make? Wow. I had no idea you could read all those books so fast and find every single fault. It took Alexander Baron months to write a small 150 page book on exposing David Irving.

Drew? you have shown your hand long ago.

Yep. Someone who is not afraid to let people know of things they have not read yet. This does not make me a dick because I welcome suggestions for further reading in politics or history from others. How the hell else would I have read so many books and websites over the years, many of which contradict each other? Honestly.

I kind of tune you out like I do Alex Jones and Mark Dice.

Based on your ignorant replies regarding the kind of material I have put forward, that much is evident. On the other hand if you are willing to tune those asshole CIA fronts out, then maybe you should take a look at my booklist and tune some of that stuff in.

[Phys]

"Talk about “alternative” media street cred! Everything he says must be true, then."

This was a quote from someone else that I thought was funny. You are great with symbols? You should have noticed the quotation marks around the statement.

You make a lot of assumptions about me, Drew. You assume I have never heard of any of those books or authors because my takeaway wasnt the same as yours. Its the same as Christians assuming that atheist havent experienced any type of transcendental or awe. If they did, they would believe in Jesus or whatever the religious person is selling.

You are as annoying as a mosquito. Like a mosquito, easy to smash and expose; However, I am governed by compassion and love.

"Love is the only thing that conquers hate." -Dhammapada

[Drew J]

This was a quote from someone else that I thought was funny. You are great with symbols? You should have noticed the quotation marks around the statement.

Call it a joke if you want, but you clearly meant it literally.

You make a lot of assumptions about me, Drew. You assume I have never heard of any of those books or authors because my takeaway wasnt the same as yours.

Yes I do. And I do because you have not offered anything in the way of the contents of those books (some of which are NOT free online meaning you have HAVE to get a hard copy and read it yourself) and what your opinions were. You gave me jack shit.

Its the same as Christians assuming that atheist havent experienced any type of transcendental or awe. If they did, they would believe in Jesus or whatever the religious person is selling.

Apples and oranges. Jesus/God is supposed to be a metaphysical experience dealing with things outside the third dimension normal plane of existence we go through on earth. When I talk about think tanks, intelligence agencies, bloodlines, genealogies, overlapping interests and masonic lodges with their ciminal oaths, I speak from documents authored and verified by people, not holy ghosts from heaven. You really do need to hit those philosophy books again if you think comparing apples and oranges like that is valid.

You are as annoying as a mosquito. Like a mosquito, easy to smash and expose; However, I am governed by compassion and love.

And an unwillingness to admit you clearly haven't read a good chunk of the books on that list of 38 I made for reasons already bracketed above. Your posting style is proving my point.