War By Deception on daily Paul

[PlutoCharon]

It sounds to me like you haven't seen problems in your life.

Yeah and another thing about that.. I'm a human being, of course I've seen problems in my life.

The "problems" you Zionists face are of your own fault. If Hamas is firing rockets at civilians, they're stupid. But it is no excuse to shell civilians in Gaza as punishment and kill 10x the people. Zionists most certainly have that Chosen One belief reiterated in the Talmud that an attack on them by a gentile is an attack on God. Like "you scratch one of us, we kill ten of you." That's insanity. So is punishing an entire people for the actions of the few. You would think they would've learned from the Holocaust©. The only thing they learned is "Never Again at the expense of everybody else".

Hamas is a product of Israeli occupation. Those rockets are a response to not only the occupation, but the random killing of civilians for no reason, the disregard for human life by Zionists, etc. Also, ask a Palestinian who those guys firing the rockets are, the ones with the full face masks. They'll say they are Sayanim and firing on themselves to give Israel an 'excuse' to attack in 'defense'. Considering Mossad has a well documented history of doing this sort of thing, I believe them.

Zionism is Fascism to the core. Whether by brainwashing or by Khazar-inherited genetics, a lot of you (but thankfully not all of you) show classic signs of psychopathy. Like the lack of empathy for the suffering of others and the manipulative tricks employed to get the upper hand. Desert Peace had an article about a Palestinian father crying while holding his dead child. A spineless IDF solider asked him "Why do you cry? Everybody dies"

Israel doesn't have the right to defend it's borders until in knows where its borders are. Killing people trying to cross the Golan-Syria border is inexcusable because Golan is not part of Israel, it's part of Syria. Israel doesn't have a right to exist, it already exists for one thing, and no country has a right to exist at the expense of other people. Israel denies the Palestinians the right to exist.

Israel was founded by terrorism. The Likud party is a successor to the Jewish terrorist organization, Irgun. Another Jewish terror organization, Lehi, is commemorated for their 'service' by an IDF ribbon. You know, service like the Deir Yassin Massacre, murdering UN envoys, blowing up the King David Hotel. That sort of thing... In other words they are proud of their terrorism. Two leaders of these terrorist organizations became PMs of Israel. Both terrorist organizations assimilated into IDF. Mossad resorts to terror and trains Sayanim into terrorists to accomplish their 'intelligence' goals. The PLFP is a Mossad creation as is most of the original Palestinian 'terror' organizations, the ones that committed the most violent crimes like suicide bombings. Others are resistance movements which is a rational response to decades of occupation.

Palestinians had nothing to do with the Holocaust©but your people like to make up excuses and say they did. They'll mention the Grand Mufti and Hitler and say that Arab resistance scared European Jews into staying put and getting thrown into the ovens. You actually believe this propaganda link to blame Palestinians for the Holocaust©. Or say that you're locked in an epic biblical battle, Hebrews vs Philistines/Canaanites and the sons of Abraham vs the sons of Ishmael. That's mythology, not history. It's based on history, but not much. It's along the same lines as cutting of your testicles and committing suicide so that a spaceship trailing a comet takes you away.

Zionists had something to do with the Holocaust©. They had a transfer agreement with the Nazis, a fact they like to keep hidden under the rug.

A popular Zionist rhetoric is "Jews did not take up arms against the Nazis." This is used to to condemn Palestinian resistance. Well let's think about the idiocy of the statement. It is saying the Jews walked right into the gas chambers and ovens without putting up a fight. Well why didn't they taken up arms? They should have. They are stupid for not resisting. They should not have gotten on that train (but I guess they couldn't say no to a free train ride, eh? heh.. I keed). If they were like cattle on the way to the slaughter house, well that's too damn bad. That's their fault. Since the Holocaust© has 6 million reasons to question it, I guess we don't even know what really went on anyways.

Sorry, not trying to hijack the thread. Just sick of the Hasbara trolls. The sloppy English is always in the same style. This person starts by praising WBD, says they want to pass it around but then makes a big deal about it not being accepted because kooky troofers promote it. This is trying to say it is garbage by association, the same tactic used when arguing about 9/11. A truther might say 10 things and make 1 mistake so they focus on that mistake saying it discredits the whole thing. In this case, they've done this with thermite essentially saying "There is an overwhelming amount of amateur evidence from kooks supporting thermite, to disregard this you must also disregard an Israeli involvement. Long Live Israel! When the Arabs accept a Jewish state, then there will be Peace©"

The Holocaust© copyright 1947, 1948, 1967, 1980, 1991 by The Holocaust© Industry, all rights reserved

[Mgadapee]

I live in a country and around people who want to "kill the Arabs"

Well that narrows you down to one country just as I suspected

Anywhere the MSM and powerful people work at it.

Too bad your opinion overrides your knowledge on the matter. Very badly. You wishfully want Israeli vans with explosives to be everything - which is absolutely absurd. War by "deception", remember? You cannot cause the tower collapses, as they are, with any amount of explosives in the basement - those buildings blow all the way down, from the point of impact.

Typical Khazar aggression. Typical Zionist disinfo -

Check those references. We'll get to that.

The Israeli vans with explosives are everything because it proves Israel was involved and were up to know good regardless of what you or the official story or anybody wants to say.

That "everything" is going to go along with your references above.

In advance, saying the "arabs" or whoever had bombs in vans as well as planes would also be a cover story.

Is that a confession?

You haven't read this thread; you missed it. The answer is no. It is the idea of more "cover stories" for the people committing the crime. You are the one who read me as a zionist. We'll get to that.

Contrary to popular belief in Tel Aviv, most Americans have no idea what a Palestinian is. They might remember Palestine from a Christmas song and that's it. I know you people have tried hard to instill in our minds Palestinian=Terrorist, but you failed.

"You people" - oh, that's a good one. Now, we've got all the pieces we need. You are saying that all Americans are zionists with everything you have said above. You call people zionists if they don't think just like you do. Personally, I'm glad I don't think like you, because I think you need more schooling.

I have worked with people from Israel, and I have personal friends from Lebanon. I like the way Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stands up to western powers. Putin too. Lots of fun. I live in an environment where a percentage of the people are as described - MSM-suckng fat people.

You want to stick your personal opinion, i.e. head out with me? I just spent the last two weeks smashing trolls.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/my-comments?u ... 0#comments" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
That's me repeatedly pounding on Albury Smith and others, for the past two weeks.

The first thing you need to do is separate being the source of your own statements and of being invisible - with information. The messenger doesn't get shot. The source is very easily shot down. Use an authoritative source, or stand and be fired upon.

You have clearly failed by calling me a zionist and by making racial slurs upon all Americans, which I did not do. I will destroy you in this little "rational box" we type into and then read back. I don't make statements like that, which is why I can honestly say that I enjoy smashing Alburys and the like into pulp.

It's not just 9/11 that had vans with explosives and Israelis. Josie Hadas / Josie Hadad, a Yemen Jew Mossad agent, was responsible for the 1993 WTC bombing. What about all the other Israeli-driven vans with explosives that were either entering or snooping around our military bases? What about the Israelis arrested in Philly who were also driving a van with explosives and had a video with extensive footage of the Sears Tower? These all were reported from mainstream sources, it's not conspiracy BS.

Why were Israeli Mossad agents driving around our country in vans packed with explosives registered to mail drop LLC moving company scams? Answering that will lead to the truth about 9/11. Real truth-seekers shouldn't stop to debate about thermite, flight 93 being shot down, or waste any time with the fringe no-plane garbage. They should look at the whole picture in perspective and see that a foreign government claiming to be our best bud is not only behind 9/11 but global terrorism in general. If Americans knew Israel infiltrated our government, controls our congress, and uses Americans to fight their wars, there wouldn't be an Israel. Heads would role, the Ziocons would flee, and before you know it Israel would be the world's biggest ash tray.

That is why I said, above, that I enjoyed the showing of the Israelis in the movie. I also enjoyed it so much, I went and made 911blogger entries for it. I hope they get through. I think its a great bunch of material for everyone to see.

You want to survive in the rational box - do something about your ego and your ideology and your opinions. All o fhtat stuff is dog meat in the rational box. You can ask questions, or post evidence, score high points and be so easily defensible. You stick your opinion out there - and WHACK!

Also posted previously, the nanothermite as the molten stuff (which hardened into lava) sounds a better fit than - well, you find an alternative to that. That chemical signature has 5 different things in it. One is a PPL3 or some such thing - very unusual stuff, which is a binder in nanothermite, along with the iron, aluminum, sulfer and barium or berrylium or something. So this signature is showing in the lava and in the red-gray chips, and its US nuclear labs stuff or no one knows who made it. It is not naturally occuring. It is 100 nanometer particles in a perfect honeycomb, suspended in carbon, with the PPL3 binder, over a red layer of iron. One could use it in strips or sheets. The idea of using this stuff in powder or paint form is just not possible.

I would imagine that the vans were part of a subterfuge as well as anything else. A van full of explosives was not even used (the one that was busted with the explosives). But to produce the tower collapses on the floors from the 80th down into the ground - there aren't enough guys in vans to do it. That takes a huge number of charges throughout those floors.

[Mgadapee]

I've made thermite at my house as a teenage from the anarchist cookbook. It's no big deal

I put up a link for a video here, Jonathan Cole, and showed National Geographic put 175 pounds of thermite onto a car hood, light it, and not go through the hood.

So here's the question. Have you done what Cole has done - have you cut through steel with it? When used for explosives purposes, use professional supplies. Not a pile of powder. That would look like National Geographic, which couldn't make its way through a car hood.

and there is no difference between thermite and nano thermite other than the size.

As described above, only US nuclear labs (are publicly known to) have nanothermite, or superthermite, which has a perfect layer of 100 nanometer aluminum particles in a suspension over carbon, with binder, over a layer of red iron. It is 1000 times faster/more active than conventional thermate. As of 2006, US nuclear labs have announced a new nanomaterials-based bomb 3 times as powerful as the bunker busters and MOABs.

there are a multitude of things that leave molten iron red-gray as in pretty much anything that would get it hot enough

You denounce the findings of the study. These red-gray chips have been thoroughly observed and characterized. They even used red paint from WTC beams as a false negative, which acted like ordinary paint. They produced a high level of energy very quickly in the calorimeter when lighting this stuff. Much more powerful than thermate - also tested.

And those building were blown up.

That's right.

What we have here is a charlatan scientist the kook from cold fusion etc writing a paper about a meaningless topic, it's like saying we found concrete and broken glass, to say there was iron and aluminum dust. Then we have a very large mass of peopel who really don't know the first thing about chemistry or science in general who just go around repeating things like temps for different things to burn and the colors they make. The whole subject is stupid. I don't care if they used C4 (more likely) or Thermite, or TNT, or any number of cutters or explosives, its a mute point. It's minutia looking at a twig and ignoring the forest.

Nope. All of ae911truth needs the nanothermite to be there, in the dust, in the lava, or something like it, or there is not explosive residue being cited. There is also a tremendous amount of heat that has to be explained in the months following the collapses. Can you cite a precedent? Cahill et al from UCDavis has studied air quality all over the world, in Kosovo, in China, and he says ground zero produced the worst air he's ever seen. There are aeresolized metals, such as chromium and osmium and vanadium - this requires very high temperatures. Perhaps Steven Jones has done some wild things, but this isn't just Steven Jones anymore - its a lot of people. I am going to have to question your knowledge of the subject - you have said many things about thermite and nanothermite that make it sound like you don't know about it. I still haven't heard a word from you on cutting steel.

I haven't seen a link from anyone showing molten metal in the ground. Like maybe after a battle, or a demolition, or something - maybe someone could provide a link. Or of cutting steel, like the military uses thermite to melt down gun barrels, or how thermate is used in demolitions to cut steel columns.

[Mgadapee]

If I tried the two again, I could format the "stream of consciousness" like this...

The neocons, working for Israelis, but also very stupid (because they're neocons), include a puppet by the name of Marvin Bush, who I think must be instrumental in all of this - look at all the stuff he does. CDI is one of a few companies in the world capable of being contracted to demolish those towers (if there were one). That is my understanding of how difficult the demolition job would be.

In the 6 years prior to 9/11, there was the largest elevator retrofit of its kind (ever) in the WTC. Between Ace elevator and Securacom security, they could have planted thousands of pounds of explosives. Remember, these are very strong buildings. If you don't take them out thoroughly, then they will fall off the side and land on something else. In fact, one tower looks like the top ~30 floors were falling off the side, and then it looked like it all blew up in mid air. I think demo jobs like this would be using radio detonators along with all else (and a computer control system).

CDI also handled demolitions for clean-up in Oklahoma City.
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-0 ... loizeaux/3" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

add: And it sounds like a neocon "shock and awe" maneuver to use nanothermite, which has never been used in demolitions, which would release an awsome amount of energy, and leave something that made people wonder what it was. There have been tests of the chips, and on false negatives, such as paint and regular thermate. No one has tested a false positive. No one can get their hands on a false positive, which is only available at your local US Nuclear weapons lab, or drugstore, or whatever it is.

Livermore Lab Slammed for Sloppy Management of Dangerous Drugs Feb 17, 2011
http://dublin.patch.com/articles/inspec ... s-on-drugs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Inattentive management practices at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory could lead to the misuse and theft of heroin, cocaine and other controlled substances used in research at the Livermore-based facility, according to a report from the Department of Energy’s Office of the Inspector General.

"The report issued Feb. 10 found lax oversight of inventory and handling procedures for 42 controlled substances used in bio-medical research and forensic science. The substances include black tar heroin, cocaine, phencyclidine (angel dust) and steroids.

Moving to referenced Department of Energy Inspector General's report: Feb 10, 2011
http://www.ig.energy.gov/documents/INS-O-11-01.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

..."Location of Controlled Substances
Contrary to Department policy, the Analytical Lab's records did not show the correct location for the 33 controlled substances under its control. Specifically, in all 33 controlled substances inventory records that were the responsibility of the Analytical Lab, the room or building indicating the location of these substances was inaccurate. This further complicated Livermore's ability to accurately record and account for its controlled substances."...

..."Procurement Records for Controlled Substances
According to 21 CFR §1304, procurement records for controlled substances should be maintained for 2 years. However, we were only able to identify procurement records for 3 of the 33 controlled substances maintained by the Analytical Lab."...
..."In explaining why no procurement records are currently retained, the National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) management in comments to a draft of this report stated that the Analytical Lab had not procured any controlled substances in the past 2 years. While we do not question management's assertion, we could not definitively determine whether procurements had or had not occurred for 30 of the substances"...

definitively - Well, I suppose if they had quantities of substances without procurement records, then there wouldn't be any way to be definite. So, how do they get all those substances without procurement records?

[Ry]

cole is an idiot if he could not burn a carhood. When I made it, it went right through the car and the concrete bellow in the junk yard. go to lowes get an aluminum rod or and a file, shave the rod into some rust from whatever nails, old rusted whatever make it about a 50/50 ratio go get some sparklers they hav about 2% mg scrape the silver stuff off into the mix and light it. it will certainly eat right through metal.

also I hate how turds ignore 89% of my film and just focus on the dancing israelis and pretend like im claiming its 100% an israeli job.

1 the majority of the film is about iraq not 911 and there is plenty of evidence for who gave us that war and why

2 forget about the dancing israelis, it makes me think you didnt even watch the film just saw the title and assumed thats what it must have been about, try actually watching the film. that tiny event is but a fraction of a fraction of the evidence of a JOINT operation.

3 anything from fetzer or steven jones is bullshit. these guys are charlatans. over on fetzers site this morning i just saw where they are calling me cointelpro. lol their declaration of "evidence" against my movie is that i did not say a missile hit the pentagon, and because they assume without any evidence that a missile did hit the pentagon and that only the us could shoot a missile into the pentagon so israel could not have had anything to do with 911. Now I don't think I even need to explain all the holes in that logic, not to mention that war by deception as the title says is promarily about the WAR not 911 and ties the two events together rater than acting like they are unrelated.

[Mgadapee]

Well, when you say, "you can be an ass", you got it right. You are so much more of an ass than anyone needs to be.

Being an ass is also not right. Arrogance means an error is occurring. It will no doubt be ego-based. The imaginary will be transposed with the real. Your imagination is being taken as real - WHACK!

You are the arrogant ass who did not read my text or look at the video. You troll and twist my statement of it from saying that National Geo put 175 pounds on a car hood into saying Jonathan Cole did that. You're Albury Smith.

I got a reply from 911blogger.

I can tell you that the biggest comment was in regard to the global warming stuff.

[PlutoCharon]

Anywhere the MSM and powerful people work at it.

No, just Israel. The MSM is predominantly owned by Jews and by "powerful people" I assume you mean the wealthy, half of who are Jews or crypto-Jews. They only publish a one-sided Israel-approved narrative. To say they wear their kid gloves when criticizing Israel would be an understatement. Criticizing Israel is a career killer for a journalist. Despite the one-off bigot, few people in America hates Arabs. NOTHING like the way your country does. Sorry. Even Steve Jobs is part Arab and Americans love Apple

You want references for the van bombs? Did you even watch WBD? Zionists love to ask for references. I guess you know we won't waste our time, after all a simple Google search will give you all the sources you need. Even Haaretz reported this. But since you asked:

http://www.zwire.com/site/mercury_101801.html
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1
The Forward 3/15/02 http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j031502.h ... ions%20it.
http://www.state.nj.us/lps/ca/press/storage.htm
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeli ... 00301.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeli ... 10201.html
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/timeli ... raeli.html
http://www.progressiveconvergence.com/n ... agmail.htm
http://www.madcowprod.com/index59bb.html

I'm sure you'll call me out for the mostly secondary sources but the original articles are offline. That doesn't make them any less true. If you say it doesn't prove there were up to no good, that's BS Khazar psychopathic sense of morality. They weren't on a humanitarian mission

You haven't read this thread; you missed it. The answer is no. It is the idea of more "cover stories" for the people committing the crime. You are the one who read me as a zionist. We'll get to that.

I read the whole thing. How do you know I'm the only one who read you as a Zionist? It's only been you and Ry. I wouldn't expect Ry to waste his time but I personally don't mind it if you would like to continue entertaining me. I know what you meant by 'cover story', but I also think you know a little bit too much for a normal Zionist.

"You people" - oh, that's a good one. Now, we've got all the pieces we need. You are saying that all Americans are zionists with everything you have said above. You call people zionists if they don't think just like you do. Personally, I'm glad I don't think like you, because I think you need more schooling.

I have worked with people from Israel, and I have personal friends from Lebanon. I like the way Mahmoud Ahmadinejad stands up to western powers. Putin too. Lots of fun. I live in an environment where a percentage of the people are as described - MSM-suckng fat people.

You want to stick your personal opinion, i.e. head out with me? I just spent the last two weeks smashing trolls.
http://www.bdonline.co.uk/my-comments?u" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... 0#comments
That's me repeatedly pounding on Albury Smith and others, for the past two weeks.

The first thing you need to do is separate being the source of your own statements and of being invisible - with information. The messenger doesn't get shot. The source is very easily shot down. Use an authoritative source, or stand and be fired upon.

You have clearly failed by calling me a zionist and by making racial slurs upon all Americans, which I did not do. I will destroy you in this little "rational box" we type into and then read back. I don't make statements like that, which is why I can honestly say that I enjoy smashing Alburys and the like into pulp.

Typical Zionist, putting words into my mouth that I didn't say. What racial slurs at Americans? Jews? Jews aren't a race. Jews are less than 2% of the USA, although you wouldn't think so considering that Jews control Hollywood, the MSM, and again are half the billionaires. But to point it out is antisemitic, right? There isn't such a thing as antisemitism. If People hated Jews, they wouldn't have the things I just mentioned. "You people" means you Zionists. I said it to push your buttons and it worked. I don't call people Zionists if they don't think like me, I call out Zionists when they are obviously Zionists. Like you.

Ahmadinejad has no power at all despite YOU PEOPLE trying to make him look like a Hitler. The Supreme Leader has the power. Ahmadinejad is a spokesperson. BTW, when you are pretending to not be a Zionist it helps to avoid mentioning Iran. For future knowledge.

Use an authoritative source, or stand and be fired upon.

Fire away, I can handle you people. What do you want me to provide a source for? The Khazar thing? Go look in the mirror, there is a reason you are Caucasian and not Middle Eastern.. Because you're from the Caucaus. I'm not trying to prove anything to you. Believe what you want. Do your own research. Seriously though, if you would like me to source something you're going to have to ask what you want sourced. Don't pick a straw man either, that's a typical trick y'all employ.

You have friends in Lebanon, that's great. You win a prize. I bet they're probably Maronites too and not Muslims. I know how you people just LOVE Muslims

But to produce the tower collapses on the floors from the 80th down into the ground - there aren't enough guys in vans to do it. That takes a huge number of charges throughout those floors.

Another confession?

You want to survive in the rational box - do something about your ego and your ideology and your opinions. All o fhtat stuff is dog meat in the rational box. You can ask questions, or post evidence, score high points and be so easily defensible. You stick your opinion out there - and WHACK!

I'm not trying to score high points. Why don't you provide sources that prove me wrong? I know Israelis have no idea what the word defense means, you think it means the opposite, but I'm not trying to score any points with you. Your mind is already made up. But please, continue to entertain me and I will do the same. Hopefully you'll learn something.

BTW - You sound an awful lot like THOUGHTCRIMINAL from the former liberty forum. I am guessing you work at the same think tank : http://www.nogw.com/download/2006_mo_behind_9-11.pdf

[PlutoCharon]

Mgadapee is only here because of Fetzer

Cointelpro, LOL! That's like a compliment when you think about it. I'm not sure if Fetzer and his stooges are Ziocons or just stupid. Probably the latter.

[Mgadapee]

LOL. Well that's just God damned funny. So if you include Ry, you say it is 2 people calling me a zionist?

Looks like I found machines. How goes the recruits? Is it a little slower than the rest of the movement?

Well, everybody moves at their own speed.

[Mgadapee]

You mean if you're nice I get to be stupid?