Ahmadinejad under fire for opposing veil crackdown

[Joe Muslim]

I KNOW religion is bullshit just as strongly as I know Elves and unicorns are fiction.

O ye of little faith:

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/ ... ns-are-re/

Of course you are probably thinking of magical creatures that shoot lasers from their horns. Just because you have never seen something with your own eyes, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I can equally claim that gravity and electricity don't exist, because they are not tangible. Yet, the effects of both gravity and electricity are all around us. Likewise, we do not see God, but His manifestations are everywhere. Or did you think that evolution was capable of placing a soul in a fetus in the womb? If evolution really had that kind of magical power, then you really do believe in a god.

[Phys]

From what I'm gathering from everyone on this site is that there should be no rules in life.

I can’t speak for everyone on this site but I will speak for myself. 'Wrong' action creates unfavorable outcomes. 'Right' action creates favorable outocmes. Right and wrong are determined by the path you are on. If your path is protecting your home, if someone breaks in and tries to hurt a family member and you have the means to end it, you may kill. It maybe right for the path of protection of you home, but it is still wrong in the path of not killing any life.

Would you stop at a red light in a town with one red light at 4am when you can clearly see that there is no danger just because it is the law? Or would you slow down and keep going because there is no way you are going to harm yourself or others?

Moral code is deduced by nature. If you kill, people will want to kill you. If you steal from others, people will steal from you. If you don’t want to be stolen from or killed, not doing those things is your best hope that those things don’t happen to you because you create you’re own heaven and hell, right here, right now…

If believing in a creator helps you not to lie, steal, kill…. then believe. I am simply saying that people can and do arrive at that same conclusion through other means than monotheism.

Of course you are probably thinking of magical creatures that shoot lasers from their horns. Just because you have never seen something with your own eyes, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Right. I agree. Maybe my mind isn’t open enough to accept dragons and magical creatures.

[Intifadah]

Aw Inti, I can't believe you would become atheist because of what someone else did. True belief comes from within.

Now I'm not saying that's what the core reason is, I just said that's what got me to thinking. I'd been disillusioned for quite some time, but still stuck with it. I can't explain what actually sent me over the edge, but my best guess would be that regardless of the countless prayers and begging to God I did, nor how good I was and morally upstanding, I still lost everything I held near and dear, and my husband became my ex-husband and went back to his old wife. I realized the better you are, the more you get punished and that didn't seem to make sense with the "be godly and you'll be blessed" kinda thing. I didn't let it make me bitter like so many other people have done, I just woke up and realized that maybe what my atheist family members were saying was true. I started researching and reading about religions a long time ago, but I suddenly saw it all in a new way. The end result was that I didn't stop being a better person, I just started doing it for different reasons. The one thing they all had in common was they all didn't make sense. Each one contradicted it's own teachings, and quite frankly it never made sense to me why people love to kill each other over rules that none of them even bother to follow in the first place.

What happened to me in the masjid was just a tiny pin-prick of a reason. I made the decision completely on my own. Believe me I've never been a follower. I don't do shit just because everyone else is doing it. I take a good hard long look at crap before I buy it. This was no different. It just took me a little while to come to this conclusion.

[Intifadah]

From what I'm gathering from everyone on this site is that there should be no rules in life. If someone wants to run a red light, they should free to do so, because that's their freedom, regardless if it may kill others and increase insurance rates and the number of people in emergency rooms and medical insurance and taxes for those paying for those without insurance and so on and so on.

If someone wants to kill another, they should have that freedom, because who cares if we remove one less person from the planet. It's better for the ecosystem. It doesn't matter if that person had to support a family and was a beneficial part of society.

There is no law in the Qur'an that does not benefit individuals and society as a whole. Simple minded people look at the tiny details, yet fail to look at the big picture. The family structure is so important in the Qur'an, that even a divorced women has to wait 3 months before marrying to make sure that she isn't pregnant with her previous husband, to ensure that the lineage of each person continues.

Atheists, who only look at life as a two dimensional structure, fail to identify the wisdom in Islamic laws.

You need to step back and look outside of the triangle.

Joe I used to think that once back when I first started posting here, but then I came to a realization. People who think like that are not productive citizens period, and quite frankly get in trouble very early on because of this mindset. Very few of these people here seem to be under the age of 15, and that's when it usually starts showing. None of these people seem to be lifers in the federal pen, so I'm pretty well inclined to think they do have some sort of structure in their lives, they just don't need some invisible dude with a pointy hat and a long beard to tell them what's OK and what's not.

By the way I stepped outside of the triangle, took a look, and got my whole life practically ruined. Thanks but no thanks, save the "you're going to hell" piece, I've lived through hell and came out on the other side.

Oh yea and you still have yet to tell me what wisdom lies in allowing a man to marry multiple women but not the other way around. Not that I have an interest in marrying 4 guys, dudes are whiney and needy, and one is enough for me, but it does not make sense that a man can marry 4 women and the wife has no friggin say in it whatsoever. To hell with her even if she is hurt by the move. Oh and if she's jealous, it's HER fault.

As if!

There's no logic in that.

[Phys]

I agree with 'the not blinding following teachings'. I would differ in that, for me, it is better to have a clear path Intifadah. I may be wrong but I want to take to one path fully and be committed to it to the end then at that point I can reconsider things. “The end” for you may have been when you realised Islam wasn’t for you but if you only 'kind of' ever believed than it is hard to say you really made a choice. It is possible you are just being rebellious now. I did at first think the native teachings of my mother were silly so I left what I was taught. I then found Buddhism in college. It registered with my critical mind. The beauty of Buddhism is what has kept me on the current path. But guess what? The further I go down my path the more I see the beauty in my mothers native teachings (although she has left them now for Jesus). I can also see the beauty in other people’s beliefs too.

The one thing that I appreciate from this forum is the religious individual because they help keep me on my 'right' path, which I find myself following into old patterns easily (not being open to other people).

[Ry]

From what I'm gathering from everyone on this site is that there should be no rules in life. If someone wants to run a red light, they should free to do so, because that's their freedom

Joe that is so stupid. We have rules like red lights because they serve a practical purpose one that is demonstrated and empirical. They regulate traffic so that people don't just crash into each other. Red lights are necessary and promote freedom. Us free thinking people can develop and understand rules based on REASON. You're using technology right now created by atheists. It's discovered because nature has rules too and as you figure them out you can manipulated them into doing what you want and giving yourself more choices and more freedom.

If you can't tell the difference between anarchy and atheism it's because you're a sub-child level near retard kook. If you don't understand the difference between rejecting immoral or pointless supernatural bullshit and following practical laws based on reason then you really do need a religion because if you are so fucking stupid that without the threat of an invisible man you would just do whatever you wanted then you need a cosmic baby sitter and are just the kind of person, that that kind of crap was created for. The only usefulness of religion is to control dumb asses like yourself and sucker you into obedience based on fear and greater purpose for your barely above monkey brain. You deserve to be a metal slave and tool because you lack the capacity to be a free man or free thinker since it requires an ability to think for yourself.