The illuminati is crap.

[Ry]

I put this on the loose change forum which is over-run with idiots and zionist moiles, religious fucktards etc.


The devil!! the devil!! (in the voice from the mom in Water Boy)

You guys are pulling the classic Zionist ploy. I wrote about exstensive evidence showing Israel was involved in 911. you guys turned it into calling Jews people who worship Satan. I'm an athiest for one. There is no devil and Judaism is older than that ficticious character anyway.

Alex Jones is (or at least was) a Christian bigot. There is no Illuminati that is from crazy right-wing Christians Protestants like Tex Marrs who implicate the Catholics aka the Vatican as being behind the illuminati with the kinghts of templar and mortar (old military orders of the crusade era) for the blame. It's totally reidculous. These same people also deny the US moon landing and believe in an anti-christ the book of revolations etc etc.

PNAC came from Israeli firsters and the OSP was made up of Zionists Jews. It was SIGNED by Rumsfled, Cheney, and Jeb but it was not written by them. Just go re-read the top of the thread.

Do not turn this into some BS about religion and calling Jews devil worshipers or turn this in to some kooky comspiracy about a secret society of a death cult from German linked somehow to freemasons. You guys might as well talk about the spooky junk on a dollar bill (eye of Horace) because you dont have a clue about any REAL history because you gather information from Christian radio and internet films.

Truth be told Protestant churches are Israels biggest ally and financers. I already went over that as well. Ignore the ignorance and just read my prior posts in this thread.

Alex finally came out with Terror storm and he has grown up a bit and become an adult. He did ignore the Lavon Affair a false flag opperation in Egypt where Israelis bombed targets and tried to blame it on Muslim Terrorists. But he did talk about the USS Liberty and he did mention Israel knew about 7/7. Of course they knew, they did it.

I am glad to see people seeing the real neocons in this mess and people (grown-ups at least) dropping the "illuminati" "theories" which have no names work on false history and blame an amorphus group for basically everything while ignoring the real and physical evidence we have to implicate the Zionists.

Zionism is not a secret, the illegal occupation on Palestine if very observable. Hell they just blew up a family on a beach.

your failing to separate the authors of PNAC from those who just signed the letters. all the 25 Authors are Zionists Jews.

Paul Wolfowitz is the head of the WTO and he with Richard Perle were to first to write up about 80% of the PNAC documents in Israel when they were first named a clean break strategy for Israel.

The Federal Reserve has its history in ZIonism as does central banking I am sure you know the Rothchild family is Jewish and they created the state of Israel look it up under Nathon Rothchild on wikipedia. Greenspan is Jewish and a Zionist though not on PNAC just a partner. The Fed has almost always had a Jewish chairman.

The Nazis are from the Ashkanazi Jews they killed Safartic Jews. Hitler himself was part Jews as was Stalin.

WWII forced Jews at the point of a gun to move to Palestine. It is very much part of the Zionist plan to create a Jewish state to fulfill biblical prophecies. In fact durring WWII Jews were not allowed under law by FDR to come to the US. They wanted to force them out of Russia and Poland into what is Now Israel. And there is still a pecking order among european jews and other jews in Israel today.

Its not just PNAC Israel had a massive spy-ring in the US and they lived next door to the Patsie hijackers. Ata was killed the fake Ata was in the Mossad. The Mossad was caught on 911 working for a fake moving company and that same company had been the WTC tower to "move art work" prior to 911.

Then look at who formed the OSP that lied us into war wit Iraq it was Lewis Libby an PNAC Jew and Michel Ledeen and Douglas Feith and Richard Perle all Jews all have dual citizenship with Israel.


Then AIPAC was busted spying on the US. AIPAC's head Steven Rosen was caught taking documents from Larry Franklin in the Defense department. Steven Rosen is also one of the PNAC authors.

This second spy ring ruined Valarie PLame and also are intel on Iran thus creating the wiggle room to lie about Irans alleged nuclear capacity.

The the ADL another Jewish organization told the whopper lie about yellow stars on clothing for Christians and Jews in Iran it was total BS.

Cheney is and always has been a mossad agent he told NORAD to stand down and had the 911 drills on 911. That's the only non-jewish Zionist they really needed. Bush is a total nut case born again Christian who listens to everything they tell him. He is an absolute puppet.

[ImpeachTheChimp]

Alex Jones is (or at least was) a Christian bigot. There is no Illuminati that is from crazy right-wing Christians Protestants like Tex Marrs who implicate the Catholics aka the Vatican as being behind the illuminati with the kinghts of templar and mortar (old military orders of the crusade era) for the blame. It's totally reidculous. These same people also deny the US moon landing and believe in an anti-christ the book of revolations etc etc.

I agree with you about the Illuminati smokescreen but there is a wealth of evidence that supports the fact that the Moon landings were indeed faked. Watch the docs in the Moon landings thread in the videos forum. In particular I recommend the highly in-depth What Happened On the Moon.

[Ry]

look at 10.47 of that film and you can see the flap does come open.
second claim about the camera moving if it was handhelf is forgetting about zero gravity.

as for the shadows the moons surface is highly reflective thus you can see it from earth even through the sky. They dismiss this by looking at more shadows well duh half the moon is dark its only going to reflect directly back opposite from where it came from.

the reflected photo in the visror thing, could he not have been on a slope? He also looks to be leaning forward something you can do in 1/6 gravity.

[internecine]

Thank you for all of your time and effort everybody. You've helped me out extremely in understanding what the New World Order really is.

Ry - Billy Madison? I believe you're talking about The Water Boy man.

[ImpeachTheChimp]

look at 10.47 of that film and you can see the flap does come open.
second claim about the camera moving if it was handhelf is forgetting about zero gravity.

The point of the claim is that the film and the pics that are supposed to be shot at the exact same time do not match. One has an open flap and the other does not.

There is a glaring difference in continuity between the still photograph and the TV coverage, yet both events allegedly occurred at the same time and were recorded at the same time. The two images should correspond. The triangle of fabric cannot have 'flapped up' in the still photograph and not have done so in the TV coverage. There are also numerous other continuity mistakes throughout the other Apollo mission images.

as for the shadows the moons surface is highly reflective thus you can see it from earth even through the sky. They dismiss this by looking at more shadows well duh half the moon is dark its only going to reflect directly back opposite from where it came from.

Yes but the shadows in many cases do not follow the laws of physics and are inconsistent from shot to shot indicating that an artifical light source had to be used. NASA claims that no such light source was used in the shots.

It is the combination of factors that makes the images suspect. In many examples, whilst the foreground rocks have dense shadows rendering part of these objects totally black, detail is still visible on the shadow side of the LM. Interestingly, the shadow side of the astronaut has no dense, dark black shadow at all. It would seem that he has been selectively filled-in with extra light.

the reflected photo in the visror thing, could he not have been on a slope? He also looks to be leaning forward something you can do in 1/6 gravity.

How were they able to line up so many studio quality picture perfect shots when the cameras they used had no viewfinders? Also the sheer volume of pics are suspect given the stated mission durations in some cases they would have literally had to shoot 3 pics per minute of mission time. Quite a tall order when you also consider that they also had to set up communications arrays, survey the land around them, conduct experiments and in some cases travel many miles on the Moon's surface.

Electromagnetic radiation is another huge impediment to manned deep space travel.

The inner Van Allen belt extends from about 600 miles to 3,000 miles altitude (and the upper belt extends from around 8,000 miles altitude up to a distance of 24,000 miles into space (according to NASA 1960s), or to between 55,000-64,000 miles (according to James Van Allen 1959 & 1990s). Over the south Atlantic the inner belt dips down until it is only around 200 miles off the surface of the planet, the latitude and longitudinal spread of this SAA vary according to several factors, among which is the solar wind activity.

The moon is 240,000 miles away. The space shuttle has never gone more than 400 miles from the Earth. Except for Apollo astronauts, no humans even claim to have gone beyond low-earth orbit. When the space shuttle astronauts did get to an altitude of 400 miles, the radiation of the Van Allen belts forced them to a lower altitude. They claimed that they could see the radiation even with their eyes closed.

If we did go to the Moon why have we not ever gone back in all that time? Why has nobody else (most notably the Russians) ever been successful at it?

Of course a great way to debunk the "conspiracy theories" would be to simply show us a telescopic picture of the surface of the Moon pointed at the alleged Moon landing sites where the LEM equipment and Moon rover were left beind. Why hasn't any pictures of these items been produced? Surely an orbiting telescope could pick these items up. It would conclusively prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that we really went there.

[fulcanelli]

my $0.02

My views on the illuminati conspiracy theories I have expressed elsewhere, but needless to say in most part I agree with Ry here - it is all too easy to follow the money trail (the only CONCRETE indication of networks of influence and motivations in politics) to those with the extremist zionist philosophy.

I add that the symbology of illuminised freemasonry is NOT in large part ancient egyptian - it contains egyptian connotations and specifics but the central core ideology of illuminised freemasonry derives from the (Lurian) Judaic (Babylonian) qabbalah and the Talmud. The original key financial supporters of the original Illuminati were Zionist families such as the Schiffs, Conns and Rothschilds/Warburgs.

The relation drawn by Christians generally between esoteric systems such as those mentioned and "the Devil/Satan" is, frankly, spurious.

The Christian concept of "Satan" was in large part an arbitrary fusion of the long pre-existing pagan archetypes of Pan (deity of virility, etc.), Santan (deity of fire) and the dragon/serpent (that symbolised the living energies of the earth) by the Church during the end of the "Dark Ages" in order to marginalise the other existing so-called "pagan" systems of belief.

During this period the Church annexed ancient pagan sites and built shrines of their own into them or just destroyed them and stigmatised millions of people as acolytes of Satan, who were then variously killed, tortured or driven from their lands when they refused to "convert".

Secret initiatic societies have been with us since the earliest civilisations we know of (for example, the "Mystery Schools" of Eleusis, Heliopolis, Harran, and numerous other parts of the old world. It is clear from the works of various historians and from the historical evidential record itself that these societies in large part were driven underground by advancing imperial or organised religious interests, and much of their symbology and systems for alteration of consciousness survives in bastardised and fragmented forms in the doctrines of some esoteric systems present today such as freemasonry, initiatic qabbalah, etc.

However THIS IS ALL THAT CAN RELIABLY BE SAID given the EVIDENCE. All else concerning the survival of specific historical secret societies into the present day, memberships etc. are al;most pure speculation.

Therefore for myself at least, I'll take the enemy that I can see over the enemy I can't. Period. And the people we CAN identify as being part of a geopolitical drive towards global tyrranical hegemony are numerous enough that were we to remove them from positions of power we would not only wipe out most if not all of the "illuminati" (if indeed they still exist) if not make them far easier to unearth. Until then, out of sight, out of mind as far as I'm concerned.

[Ry]

NASA claims that no such light source was used in the shots

no the video claims that NASA claims that. I looked around and NASA did have lighting that they bought to the moon. They Knew they were taking important pictures, historical pictures and they knew to bring artificial light.

[ImpeachTheChimp]

NASA claims that no such light source was used in the shots

I looked around and NASA did have lighting that they bought to the moon. They Knew they were taking important pictures, historical pictures and they knew to bring artificial light.

When did they do this? Honestly Ry in all the interviews that I have ever seen or read with NASA spokesmen regarding the Apollo missions they claim that no artificial lighting was used in the Moon shots. Instead they attribute the strange shadows to the reflectivity of the Moon's surface. Any links?

[Richie]

Who cares if the missions were faked? It is not relevant at all today unless you are involved in space missions. There are many issues which are much more important.

[internecine]

Who cares if the missions were faked? It is not relevant at all today unless you are involved in space missions. There are many issues which are much more important.

as if it isn't relevant!
if the moon landing is a lie, it's one of the biggest lies in all of our history!