Buildererberg Concerns Over Losing Control

[Drew J]

Indicators of a delusion
The following can indicate a delusion:

1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.

This desribes any blogger. It describes Ryan Dawson. Look at all the posts Ryan Dawson has made, all the radio shows he has done and his movie based on his ALL ROADS essay.

2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.

"Undue infleuence" is not defined.

3. Despite his/her profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.

Last time I checked, Ryan Dawson and Craig Oxley were open about their beliefs. What's funny is that the fact that they post so much about it disproves the claim they are secretive about their beliefs. In other words, #1 and #3 contradict each other.

4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.

Last time I checked, Ryan Dawson never made any videos where he was laughing about the AIPAC scandal.

5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.

Translation: There is no evidence of jesuit power.
Okay fine, prove it. Explain away why Peres would monkey with Jerusalem and give it away to the Vatican i fthey have no power over him (they in fact do http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1766 )

6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.

Last time I checked, my posts involved asking questions and throwing several links you way to back them up.

7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.

See #5

8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other elements of his psyche.

See #1

9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.

Abnormal, out of character is not defined. Is this an attempt to define belief in jesuit control as abrormal since most people don't? That's fine. They would admit to being a minority. But that doesn't prove how false or true it is. It's another red herring.

10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are uncharacteristic and alien.

It can't be uncharacteristic or out of character for Craig Oxley to blame the Jesuits or Ryan Dawson to blame the Zionists since that's what they in fact believe. Zionist blamers are in a minority when compared to the rest of the world since the majority of the world doesn't even regard conspiratorial history as correct or legitimate. So they too would be considered alien.

Spare the word games and start answering real questions about Vatican control.

[Drew J]

All the infighting here SUCKS. I was stoked when I found this place, now that I've been here a couple of days, I'm having second thoughts.

I'm not fighting with Drew. I seriously want to understand the logic behind the Jesuits did it, but I can't seem to wrap my head around it

You'll only get it by reading the following topics

PROTHINK OWNS VATICAN ASSASSINS
ALEX JONES IS A TOTAL FRAUD
REVIEW OF HOFFMAN'S 'JUDAISM DISCOVERED'

[Drew J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9-qY-9XJOc

John Reeves is promoting his new video about the real power structure behind the Establishment Right. This isn't about regular, independent conservatives. It's about elitists and some cliques promoting the new world order. Reeves have gathered a lot of information on this subject from the Internet, books, and even Eric Jon Phelps' works (He at first didn't believe in the Jesuit/Knight of Malta links to the CNP, but now he does). Reeves is certainly right to expose the CNP since the CNP promotes Dominionism (or the lying philosophy that you must merge church and state to make the world a better place and make the coming of Jesus Christ more possible. This is unscriptural) and has links to the CFR. The Council on National Policy is a very powerful group with control of the Republican Party and they are controlled by the Vatican (including high level Freemasonry). Reeves says that the CNP have 3 secretive meetings per years in posh hotel across America. Unfortunately, Stan Monteith, and Larry Pratt are members of the CNP. Paul Craig Roberts according to John Reeves have links to the CNP as well. Me and others have exposed this for years.


By Timothy

Paul Craig Roberts went to school at a Jesuit University.

http://www.theinformationcorner.com/bro ... 9/tic1.mp3
http://www.theinformationcorner.com/bro ... 9/tic2.mp3

Awesome, finally it is available on mp3. I was listening to Revere radio one day, and it was his show. I guess the show you posted is the one I was listening to. I recorded it and wanted to share it, but for some reason it was in an .ivr format, don't know why, it would not play back.

Yep another shocker, Gun Owners of America owner is one of them.

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[Drew J]

This is a bunch of nonsense. They killed Rabin because he was friendly with the Arabs and Palestinians, his policies were in favor of peace. Please refrain from just making shite up.

So if he was in favour of peace, then who killed him? Don't tell me it was Sharon or Yigal Amir because as that link to my old post on this board citing the work of Barry Chamish proves, you would be wrong on both accounts. I have also pointed out the convenient placement of Yoram Rubin in the attacks on both Rabin and sharon. Something you refuse to explain or acknowledge. Please refrain from not checking out the proof I give of what I say before you open your mouth.

If he worked for the vatican than why doesn't the Vatican own ALL of Israel by now?

Zionist protectors and 9-11 deniers always use this ploy against our ilk saying that if there was an NWO, then we'd all be poor and in concentration camps by now. Since that argument doesn't fly and doesn't disprove say Ryan Dawson's essay about 9-11 Iraq and PNAC, then yon can't use that same illogic here. You have to directly answer my question. Why would Peres be working to give Jerusalem to the Vatican? Why does the Vatican have their fingers in the Jerusalem pie? A fact that one of your quoted articles from a Canadian news webstie admitted was a fact. You dodge once again.

He's gone now, he's no longer prime minister so he didn't accomplish very much.

He is not gone. Peres is the President of Israel. Do your homework. Oh right. Look who I'm asking to do what. A willfully ignorant Jew basher who continues to dodge questions and articles posted by be attesting to the fact that the Vatican is after Jerusalem as has been getting it with the help of Peres.

THE ROAD FROM ROME BY BARRY CHAMISH
http://www.rense.com/general69/road.htm

VATICAN WITHOUT COMMENT. The takeover of Jerusalem by BARRY CHAMISH
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED ... topic=3025

Netanyahu- 911 mastermind is now pm.

I thought it was Dov Zakheim. Second, I have seen no evidence he was the mastermind of it all.

Why do you insist on exposing yourself as a Jew loving Jew?

So I give a phony, sarcastic admission that I'm Jewish. You acknowledged it was not real. Now you're pretending it's real again. Quit the magician you are. Only you're not fooling me.

The Jews can be disproportionately pointed out constantly in positions of power, media ownership, bank ownership, hollywood ownership, leading destruction of free speech, leading destruction of constitution, leading destruction of personal liberties, leading homosexual movement, leading pornography industry, running the drug trade, running the prostitution rings, running the African slave trade, yet they represent only 1/3 of 1% of the world population. What have the Jesuits been up to while all this was going down?

Quit pretending I haven't given names about Roman scum and knights of malta out before. Once again check the following topic.

PROTHINK OWNS VATICAN ASSASSINS
REVIEW OF HOFFMAN'S JUDAISM DISCOVERED.

You could also check out the lecture I just posted in this topic from one Josh Reeves. Secondly, you can continue to ignore that Lee Rogers article showing Bilderberg to have been the brainchild of a papal knight of malta, but it won't actually disprove the article.

was pointing out that you call people Jesuits who aren't actually Jesuits since there are only 18, 000 of them who are catholic priests and scholars, nothing more.

Ignoring all the resources in those two topics I have just told you about will get you nowhere. Ignoring knights of malta in positions of power will get you nowhere. Since you refuse to do your homework and instead prefer to bask in your profanity, I guess I will have to drag up one sample out of many pointing out how the knights of malta (of which the Rothschilds are as shown in that topic IT'S NOT THE JEWS 101) are running the game.
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 98#p109398
There is a great essay in there called THE NEXUS BETWEEN ZIONISM AND ROMANISM I quoted which explains things well. Key knights of malta are named in creating the intelligence agencies. Key knights of malta are also named here.
http://www.ancreport.com/forum/v ... 38#p121738

The Knights of Malta are not an evil underground at all, the churches are not evil. There are individuals in the protestant / catholic /religious community who ARE evil, but they have real names; and don't belong to only one grouping nor are they traditional catholics/christains.

Many names were named in here but you never acknowledged it.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1700
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1384

It's time to move on from focusing on the American elite like Jones does and move on to Europe and Rome. That's where the real puppet masters are.

Those links lead to some name and dot connecting by Truthseeker24. One of many which include how papal knight of malta nazi Reinhard Gehlen trained the Mossad with the CIA in 1951.

According to you the Jews are petty servants, and slaves of the vatican yet they fukking hate him and protest a mere visit to their country and say he's a Jew killer. Shoulnd't they be on the ground worshipping their master? See, you brush aside all of these things because it doesn't coincide with your pre-concieved fantasies. The Jesuits aren't very good at fulfilling your fantasies so you must overlook things like this and move on, try to find something else to blabber on about.

Once again you refuse to answer a simple question. If Peres is not working for the Vatican and Israel is an Israel run by and for Israelis, then how do you explain your own source you once cited showing how people are upset at Peres for working to get Jerusalem for the Vatican? Why would Peres, a Jew be doing this of his own free will without any pressure? Answer these questions. Reconcile these dilemmas. Quit dodging.

Anything that the unhived lunatic quotes is worthless trash. Dis-information. Do you believe everything this guy tells you?

So your problem is with Fritz Springmeier? Okay fine. Tell me what is wrong with his two books on monarch mind control and how the CIA particpates in programming slaves and running kidnapping rings, of which the Jesuits are a part of as Fritz explained in that one topic about the squinty eyes that signify wax mask torture.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED ... opic=52618
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1768
If you're going to do what that CIA bitch Barbara Hartwell does and deny that Project Monarch was or is real, then there is no point in dignifying your denying ass with another response with the same links posted again if you won't accept the reality of monarch slaves.

How does any president or prime minister get assassinated? they have more protection than anybody, and are constantly assassinated. Ughh, very very weak arguments dude, and this has nothing to do with Jesuits anyway.

Nice try but you're not comparing apples and oranges because according to you and other Jew blamers, Rothschilds control the world and thus the American presidents and so of course if you mess with their money system, you will go down. But as you can see in this film, normal security was called off so that a clear shot could get at Kennedy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFpPjjKdUds
Now that we have made a distinction between the apple (Kennedy) and the orange (Rothschild), tell me how an orange that rules the world, and by implication, the banks and the media and the INTELLIGENCE AGECIES, wind up dead like one of his apple puppets who is supposed to follow his orders and winds up dead when he messes with the money system?

The only holes in the theory are the ones you are inventing so you can fill it with your pre-concieved fantasies about elderly catholic priests.

What you consider a legitimate question, most likely, is a paranoid fantasy.

Okay show me the holes. Explain who shot Rabin. Why is Chamish wrong? Explain how the orange (not the apple) can get murdered if he rules the media, banks and intelligence agencies, the latter of which does a lot of world wide assassinations? Why are the names and dots connected here wrong?
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1700
http://z10.invisionfree.com/The_Unhived ... topic=1384
Why is Chamish mistaken about the Vatican trying to get their hands into the Jerusalem pie?
THE ROAD FROM ROME BY BARRY CHAMISH
http://www.rense.com/general69/road.htm

VATICAN WITHOUT COMMENT. The takeover of Jerusalem by BARRY CHAMISH
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED ... topic=3025

Oh, look at this, Olmert is working to divide up Jerusalem too.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.as ... &nid=17066

The Vatican Agenda By: Joel Bainerman
http://www.joelbainerman.com/articles/vatican.asp
Explain why all this is just a fantasy, i.e. mistaken. Show me the correct interpretation then since by implication of your words, you have the correct one.

Are the knights Templar currently occupying Jerusalem? Are the Jesuits migrating to Jesusalem to take back the kingdom? Nope.

They don't have to go on an overt crusade. They can just get their Vatican friendly Peres to get Jerusalem for them. And that is what he has done. Even one of your news sources admitted this was the case. Let me quote your own source again for you.

"A small number of Israeli protesters showed up in front of President Shimon Peres's residence as Benedict traveled to a meeting there, waving placards that said "You crucified the Jews" and "Hands off Jerusalem," possible references to a long-standing dispute between Israel and the Vatican over several properties in the city. Police hustled the protesters away before the Pope arrived." http://www.canada.com/Controversy+prote ... story.html

Next time, don't try to deny something that one of your own sources confirms. You will look less foolish.

[Drew J]

Let's see I have given authors, knights of malta, connections between Zionism and Romanism showing the former's subservience to the latter, links to names and papal creators of intelligence agencies, etc, and you declare victory without answering my questions and post a funny picture and run and hide.

Okay. Fair enough. Have it your way. Enjoy persisting in your profanity. Enjoy those horseblinders you're wearing.

[Drew J]

Is Peter Hans Kolvenback a Jew? Is Adolfo Nicolas a Jew? Is Michael Festing a Jew? Is former Cardinal Egan a Jew? Was Andrew Bertie former leader of the Knights of Malta a Jew?

The answer to all of these is no. Try and show me a Jesuit from the last three and a half centuries that was a Jew because apparently that website of yours can't even do that. Jews were banished from the order centuries ago. Not even Eric Phelps denies that there were some Jewish jesuits in the past, but it was only at the very start of the order. Do you even know who started the Jesuits with the help of Ignatius of Loyola? The Roman Farnese bloodline. Farnese's are not Jews. Check into the real powerhouses in the world in the thread CRAIG OXLEY RECEIVING DEATH THREATS? You'll hear about bloodlines such as Aldobrandini, Orsini, Farnese, etc. These bloodlines aren't Jews.

[neoConSlayer]

Is Peter Hans Kolvenback a Jew? Is Adolfo Nicolas a Jew? Is Michael Festing a Jew? Is former Cardinal Egan a Jew? Was Andrew Bertie former leader of the Knights of Malta a Jew?

The answer to all of these is no. Try and show me a Jesuit from the last three and a half centuries that was a Jew because apparently that website of yours can't even do that. Jews were banished from the order centuries ago. Not even Eric Phelps denies that there were some Jewish jesuits in the past, but it was only at the very start of the order. Do you even know who started the Jesuits with the help of Ignatius of Loyola? The Roman Farnese bloodline. Farnese's are not Jews. Check into the real powerhouses in the world in the thread CRAIG OXLEY RECEIVING DEATH THREATS? You'll hear about bloodlines such as Aldobrandini, Orsini, Farnese, etc. These bloodlines aren't Jews.

more misdirection, you dont have to be a jew to be a zionist, as dumb as you are drew j even you should know that.

[Drew J]

more misdirection,

What a joke. I prove how that jewishjesuits link is meaningless for two reasons.
1. Hasn't been a jesuit Jew in CENTURIES
2. Recent Black Popes and Cardinals and Kinghts of Malta HAVE NOT been Jewish.
3. The family that used Loyola to found the Jesuits WERE GENTILES. Thus, their descendents would have known who all the Jews were since they would have been instructed to keep an eye on the jesuit order and the lineage of each Jesuit.

So what I have in fact are refutations claiming that the Jesuits were a crypto Jewish order from the start and also a refutation that the Farnese's who used Loyola to found the Jesuits were GENTILES.

This is not misdirection, this is factual. This is clarifying the issues.

you dont have to be a jew to be a zionist,

Funny, I don't recall saying you had to be. So why you would argue with me as if I said something I didn't, is very strange. Strawman, much?

as dumb as you are drew j even you should know that.

As already illustrated, quit arguing against strawmen. I never said one had to be a Jew to be a Zionist.

[neoConSlayer]

just because all of these people that had power once upon a time aren't jewish or zionist doesn't mean that zionists don't exercise undue influence in EVERY country (or practically evey country) now. i should have realized why most people on this forum either ignore you are stop responding to you, you are a broken record i've read all those threads you ALWAYS point to and they don't prove a thing and they dont disprove that zionists are at the top of the pyramid of control, this is going to be my last response because you are either 1) absolutely retarded or 2) trying to divide us / poison the well with your absolute nonsense.

[neoConSlayer]

Drew's not trying to divide us. He's far from a Zionist and questions the number of "the holocaust" as well as speaks out against the genocide of Palestinians.

well i can't understand why he uses the standard "jew basher" response when he offers up his "vatican control" nonsense that has no basis in any reality.