To all the morons who say Palestine never existed

[Int'l man of mystery]

Can someone explain this verse out of the bible ?

Well, given that the name "Israel" can refer to a person, a land, a kingdom, or (since 1948) a rogue state, it can probably have a lot of meanings attached to it. Without a proper context, the verse is rather ambiguous.

[Int'l man of mystery]

The bible has talking animals and a man living inside a whales belly for three days.

Moses is complete fiction. So is Adam and Eve. See the vdeo History vs Religion that I linked to in the thread.

I've seen the video before. However, I wasn't talking about the Bible's credibility. What I was questioning, was the usage of Cyrus' liberation of the Jews from captivity to discount the Moses story in the Bible, when the Bible mentions both seperately.

[Muhammad Ali]

those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel

...will be cursed

That's the phrase religious Zionists use to encourage support from Christians.

oh I knew that part I don't know why I forgot to add it in my original post, Lol. What I want to know is that if it's true and that the Zionists didn't just write it in themselves cause they love to point that verse out all the time

[Omega Pi]

I found some information on the history of Palestine:
http://www.jerusalemites.org/history_of ... /index.htm
http://palestineremembered.com/Acre/Pal ... ry564.html
http://palestineremembered.com/Acre/Pal ... ry452.html
Pictures: http://palestineremembered.com/OldNewPictures.html

I'm not sure how correct each article is but they're sites I trust.

[aucuneconnerie]

oh I knew that part I don't know why I forgot to add it in my original post, Lol. What I want to know is that if it's true and that the Zionists didn't just write it in themselves cause they love to point that verse out all the time

They wrote it in!!! Watch the show at http://www.whtt.org/show. It's about 10 minutes in. Amazing story. And this is from a Christian site; same guy that Mike Rivero (whatreallyhappened.com) had on his radio show a week before Ry.

[Muhammad Ali]

Thank you aucuneconnerie, I'll check out the show

[MAGNES]

Good work on the site.

The Phillistines are Greek , a big part of Mediterranean history and the Trojan War,
they had allies all over Greek lands, they were the original settlers of the area, sparsely populated by locals, they built great cities that all admired, read the Bible on what the Jews say, they coveted their wealth and cities, acknowledging the irredentism of the Jews, it clearly sates it is not theirs. Their own words.

The Phillistines are a Dorian Greek Tribe,
as Herodotus tells us, a Tribe of the Macedonians, sons of Zues and Hercules, calling themselves the Heracledai, coming back to Greece, as Thucydides tells us, to reclaim what was wrongfully taken from them, bringing war and plague, the Spartans of the Classical Greek period are the decendants of the Phillistines.

The movie The 300, the Classical Spartans Ruling Class are decendants of the Phillistine Greeks, ruling over all other Greeks in the area and enslaving them, making them unarmed workers, the entire region. They enslaved the Greeks that evicted/wronged them 1200BC, allies of the Trojans, a Greek city, The City of Ilios, literally The Sun City, whorshipping the Sun God, Apollo, Son of Zues, the God of Light, Truth, Freedom and Democracy, Protector of Man, Right over Wrong, the Righteous. These are all Greek concepts from Greek Mythology, Nordic concepts, NOT EASTERN, NOT EGYPTIAN. Troy, ie., ILIOS, ran
a Mediterranean Empire sitting as a Gate Keeper on the Bosphorus, there was a major Greek Civil War for control of Empire, the Mainland Won. Athens took over.

Some Western Gods, ideas and beliefs strongly influenced by Greek
Mythology, Apollo and the relevance.
The Statue of Liberty, Lady Justice, Law Order and Good Government, on real money, American Eagles,
Gold or Silver, Zues is represented in various ways, The Sun, The Eagle, Athena, ie., Lady Liberty, The Light, ie., Apollo. Athena and Lady Justice made in the image of Athena and all she represents, much of the same that Apollo represents. All from Greek Mythology,
Law Order and Good Government, Justice, Nike, ie., Victory over the bad, All Gods, related but subserviant Gods to Athena and Apollo. All of this is related, many are mutually inclusive, meaning, all go together or nothing. Jutice, Peace and War as well, Slaying Tyrants.
All of this is related in the order of things.

Isis my ass.

The Egyptians DID NOT GIVE US THE WEST.

Jesus Christ calls himself " the morning star", he is literally telling the Greeks he is the son of Zues and everything that that implies, if you do not know Greek Mythology you do not know the beginnings of the History of the Western World.
Hesiod, Works and Days
Hesiod, The Theogony
Homer, The Iliad
Homer, The Odyssey
These 4 books, 725BC are the cornerstone of
The Western World, Historians say so not me.

Ancient and Modern Historians/History along with archaeology and accounts of foreign people all complement each other, including Mythology and legend, history is amazing.

The Jews did not take the land away from the Phillistines through war, they left on their own accord, attacked Egypt, Crete, and Pylos, coming home, warring and enslaving their evictors and from then on at war always with
the Greeks calling themselves Ionian, ie., Athens as the leader here.

Today anywhere you dig in the "holy land"
the Greek stones speak, not Jewish stones,
the Jews hate the Greeks for various reasons,
this is one. Prisoners excavate ancient sites and damage them and hide them from the cameras. Today the Greek Church is the largest land holder in Israel, and alway was.

This area of History is my specialty.

A great book not for the novice, out of print.

The Rise of the Dorians
Nixon

Read Hesiod, The Theogony
A very fast read, 100 pages.

The Founding Fathers knew the Greeks.

Much of their writing is not original, the ideas are from my above references, they are great students of Hesiod.

The Greeks are a very old established breed, they influenced many civilizations and they occupied Greece long before 5000BC. For political reasons this is not promoted.

Three very interesting articles, NON-Conformist with archaeological references. This site is 100% Pro-Western and 100% ANTI-GLOBALIST, ANTI-MEDIA-MSM.

The Jews do not want us to know history. Period.

http://www.grecoreport.com/indo-europea ... _race1.htm

I hate seeing Apollo, The Light, mixed up with
"Egyptian Gods", Apollo is our Western God.
FREEDOM, JUSTICE.

You violate Apollo's Laws, Winged Victory will pay you a visit and strike you down, Zues will
slay you, Tyrants will die, those guilty of "hubris", usually reserved for leaders, will be struck down as well, by Nike, ie., Victory, implying "victorious over the unjust".

Anyone here believe the Egyptians understood any of this. They needed Winged Victory, Nike, and Nemesis, on their ass, and lighting bolts, and they got them, JUSTICE, APOLLO'S, unjust nations had plague set upon them, Apollo's Justice. The Ptolemaic Greeks, of which Cleopatra is the last created everything, The Library of Alexandria and The Museum, these Greeks were Dorian Greeks from Upper Macedonia. These Greeks created the
Hellenistic Age, the first Western Age, first Modern Age, laying the groundwork for Christianity, creating everything, all sciences,
schools, philosophy, creating THE WEST.
Scholars say so not me.

What Egyptians, where are the Egyptians.

Apollo made this happen. Justice.

The Jews, The 12 Tribes, translated the Old Testament to Greek, encouraged by the Ptolemies and financed by them, people had freedom, the Greeks were seen as liberators running a FEDERAL STATE, leaving everyone alone, after the Jews translated the Old Testament, they immediately began arguing and trying to re-write.

Even in old Jewish writing the Greeks, The Macedonians, Alexander and his Generals were seen as great liberators, after the Romans won the Empire for themselves they were amazed by what they found and they named Alexander, Alexander The Great.

ALSO,
http://www.grecoreport.com/archive.htm
Have a look at the first article,
the NeoCons lobby for the Turks.
Why ?
Sibel Edmonds story.

You want more, I will post more, ask me questions.

Western History begins with Hesiod and Homer. It is good, not bad. Read it.

Regards Friends

And Ry, Good Work,
I have been lurking for more than a year.

[Twisted]

As Magnus said..History is amazing. Forgive the long post but I love history and the following is my own research showing Philistine connections with Greek ancestry using reliable sources. I havn't finished it yet but then at least it's something to consider.

What the archaeology tells us about the Philistines and the Bible stories.

Although there is some evidence of attacks that could be the Sea Peoples from earlier dates the first detailed record of these people was a stele found in Karnak that lists all the groups who made up the "People of the Sea" that invaded in the 13th century BC.

These are the groups archaeologists believe these groups to be based on archaeological evidence.

1. Ekwesh (Homeric Achaeans)
2. Tursha (Trojans)
3. Rw Kw (Lyceans)
4. Sherden (People from Sardis in Anatolia who eventually settled in Sardinia)
5. Sheklesh (origin unknown but thought to be who later settled Sicily)

The second invasion of the Sea Peoples around 1175 BC was recorded in Medinet Habu and lists the different groups involved. The Philistines and Tjekker invaded by land while the Sheklesh, Denyen and Weshesh invaded by sea. These inscriptions also have paintings of how the invaders were dressed and the weapons they carried. From this it almost certain the invaders were both Mycenaean and Anatolian Greeks.

Rameses III defeated the Sea Peoples and captured "hundreds of thousands". Rameses said he settled them in cities in Canaan and provided them with food and clothing for years until they could support themselves. It is clear from the texts that the Philistines were already living in Philistia when the People of the Sea invaded and probably had joined them opportunistically.

The Onomastocon of Amenope written in the 12th century BC records the names of the cities the Philistines settled as Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron and Gaza. Exodus names many such as Ashkelon, Ashdod, Ekron, Gath, Timnah, Ziklag and Gaza. It is thought that the ones Exodus mentions that Rameses doesn't are the cities in Canaan the Philistines settled after they expanded from the sites Rameses resettled them.

The cities of Ashdod and Gaza seem to be the oldest Philistine cities with evidence that they were inhabited by Philistines during the reign of Rameses II and they were loyal to Egypt at that time. The Sea Peoples sacked both during Merneptah’s reign. It is possible that the Philistines were living in the area controlled by the Canaanites during this period.
Genetic studies show that the Phoenicians were the Canaanites and their descendants are the Maronite Christians and Shiite Muslims of modern Lebanon. The so-called “Canaanite gene” has been found in populations around the Mediterranean where the Phoenicians are known to have colonized.

Timnah was Canaanite until sacked in around 1150 BC. Pottery shows the inhabitants had a Mycenaean Greek culture probably from the first Sea People invasion. Between 1150 – 1100 BC the Philistines rebuilt the city and lived there until it was abandoned around 1000 BC.
Timnah is where the Bible locates the story of Sampson. The names Delilah and Sampson could be a pun used in an Aesops Fable type of story, Delilah being derived from the Hebrew word for night (laylah) and Sampson from the Hebrew word for Sun (Semes). The pun being the night would defeat the Sun.

War between the Philistines and Israelites began sometime around 1050 BC. The Israelites were defeated and the Biblical account is largely confirmed by archaeological evidence. The Bible says that the Philistines worshiped a God called Dagon. Dagon also was a personal name and the name of a month. The Philistines of Ashdod worshiped Baal Zebub but also had a temple to Dagon that was in use continuously until destroyed in 150 BC. In the 12th century in the area around Cyprus Dagon was known as the father of Baal. Objects found in the Philistine city Ashdod indicate that the early Philistines worshiped the same gods that were worshiped in areas around Athens and Mycenae until they adopted the Canaanite Gods.

The Philistines had captured the Ark of the Covenant and displayed it in Ashdod. Not long after, what looks like Bubonic Plague according to descriptions broke out. The Ark was sent to Ashkelon, Gaza then Gath and the Plague broke out in each city in turn. The Philistines saw this as punishment by Israel’s God rather than the carriers of the Ark spreading the Plague. When the Ark was sent to Akron the inhabitants tried to prevent its entry. The terminology used in the bible seems to indicate that each Philistine city was an independent city-state similar to the Aegean model rather than the type of city-state found in the Middle East. The Philistines then offered to return the Ark to the Israelites.

The Ark was handed over in the Israelite town of Beth Shemesh on the Philistia border and the Plague broke out there as well. Of course this couldn’t be for the same reason plague broke out in the Philistine cities so this time it was explained as punishment for looking at the Ark. The Ark was then sent to Kiriath Jearim where it remained hidden for 20 years during which time the Philistines took control of it again although it is unknown if they knew the Ark was in the town.

Samuel now says that the Israelites routed the Philistines and reclaimed the land from Ekron to Gath. These cities show no sign of having fallen at this time so Samuel may mean only claiming the surrounding land of these cities. The Israelites now controlled much of Canaan but the Philistines still controlled the coastal plains and Philistia.
Significantly Samuel mentions that after the Philistines routed, their Hebrew allies left them and joined the Israelites indicating the Hebrews were considerably divided.
The 17th chapter of Samuel gives a clue to the origin of the philistines. The challenge of Goliath to fight in single combat is a typical Aegean Greek action and completely foreign to local practices. The name Goliath itself is not Semitic but is Anatolian.

Now we come to David’s encounter with King Achish of Gath. The name Achish seems to be a Trojan name (the father of Aeneas was Anchises). David allied with King Achish against Saul and king Achish gave the city of Ziklag to David. The Philistines (without David) defeated Saul at Aphek and displayed his body in Beth Shean. The Philistines now controlled Israel.

The Bible earlier mentions that Ziklag belonged to Judah so apparently the Philistines had captured it. It is though the present day Tel Halif was Ziklag (or possibly Tel Sera) and Tel el Safi was Gath. It was here that David lived before he became king of Judah. Ziklag is a Tjekka name, one of the Sea Peoples of the second invasion.

The Amalekites burned Ziklag down according to the Bible but excavations at Tel Halif do not show this although they do show evidence of an attack and some destruction at the end of the 11th century BC, which was when David moved to Hebron. Ziklag only had minimal reconstruction after the Amalekite attack and it was another 100 years before intensive reconstruction commenced which ties in with its ruler leaving.

After David became king of Judah civil war broke out between David and Saul’s followers. The Philistines took no active part although they gave David support and he remained their ally until he won the war and was crowned king of Israel thus uniting both Judah and Israel which the Philistines saw as a threat.
The Philistines gathered their forces at Ekron? and marched to Rephaim (Ekron is strategically the best place to gather before an attack at Rephaim) but were defeated by David. From this time Philistine records show no more battles. A second battle was fought at Rephaim not long after and the Philistines were not only beaten again but retreated to Gezer which is visible from Ekron.

Despite David’s defeat of the Philistines, unlike the other Philistine cities in Canaan which became predominantly Hebrew, Ziklag and Ekron’s populations remained predominantly Philistine. Later, King David’s army would have a large number of Philistines serving in it. Another interesting point is that when David was transporting the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem, Uzzah was “struck dead for touching it” so David left the Ark in the house of Obed Edom and “the Lord blessed Obed Edom and all his house”. This says something of the complicated relationships of the times, as Obed Edom was a Philistine.

There were several revolts against King David’s rule by the Cherethites and Pelethites. These along with the Gittites were all Philistines by culture and their different names may have been indicative of their origins before they first settled in Canaan.

Just before King David’s death his son Adonijah was being supported as the next King but David’s Philistine bodyguard took Solomon to be anointed. Ironically it was Israel’s enemy the Philistines who not only save David’s life but also helped him become king and who also are responsible for Solomon becoming king after him.

Philistines ruled Gezer but the population were Canaanites as there is very little evidence that Philistines lived there. David did not capture Gezer and it remained Canaanite until it was defeated by the Egyptians and given to Solomon as a dowry for the Pharaohs daughter.
Although David defeated the other Philistine cities in Canaan he left Gezer alone for unknown reasons. Maybe he wanted the city to be a buffer between Israel and Philistia or it may have been because Philistia was still allied to Egypt.

Interestingly Gezer was probably still allied to Egypt when the Pharaoh attacked but it seems to have been an Egyptian practice to attack and capture an allied city after an allies (or vassals) king had died to get a “feel” of how strong the ally was.

In the late 11th century Ashdod expanded and became heavily fortified. Either King David or Pharaoh Siamun in the first half of the 10th century destroyed it. The Philistines then went into a period of decline. For example Ekron shrank from 50 acres to 10 acres. Ashdod however was rebuilt and expanded, Philistine power increased here and it remained a strong Philistine city until the early 8th century when it was destroyed by King Uzziah of Judah. The city was again rebuilt but was then occupied by the Assyrians in the late 8th century, a period when the Bible mentions the Assyrians invading. King Solomon ruled the lands of Philistia and accepted tribute from the Philistines but did not control it’s capital Ashdod.

After Solomon died around 922 BC his kingdom split into two and Egypt invaded Judah. Many Israelite cities were destroyed and not rebuilt for a very long time and Jerusalem was sacked. We know the exact date of this because it was recorded on a stele as 918 BC. Ethiopia invaded during this period as well. Reheboam eventually lost control of Philistia and the Philistines (and Edomites) began making raids into Israeli territory. King Uzziah declared war on the Philistines who tried to ally with the Assyrians but later many Philistine towns came under Assyrian control while the Israelites continued to make successful raids there periodically.

The Assyrians had a strong empire in 1100 BC but then declined for 200 years. Assyrian records speak of invading Israel and Syria in the 9th century and mention many battles not found in the Bible. According to Shalmaneser III, the Israelites were overwhelmingly defeated. Another record dated 841 BC states that Assyria had invaded Syria 16 times and each time collected tribute from the Israelites. An obelisk found in the Assyrian capital Nimrud shows Israel’s king Jehu bowing before Shalmaneser and offering tribute.

Although Assyria’s invasions of Tyre, Sidon, Israel, Judah and Philistia weakened Judah and led to the defeat of Israel, Philistia and the Philistines now began a period of growth and increase in power.

[Ry]

The Philistines had captured the Ark of the Covenant and displayed it in Ashdod. Not long after, what looks like Bubonic Plague according to descriptions broke out. The Ark was sent to Ashkelon, Gaza then Gath and the Plague broke out in each city in turn. The Philistines saw this as punishment by Israel’s God rather than the carriers of the Ark spreading the Plague. When the Ark was sent to Akron the inhabitants tried to prevent its entry. The terminology used in the bible seems to indicate that each Philistine city was an independent city-state similar to the Aegean model rather than the type of city-state found in the Middle East. The Philistines then offered to return the Ark to the Israelites.

The Ark was handed over in the Israelite town of Beth Shemesh on the Philistia border and the Plague broke out there as well. Of course this couldn’t be for the same reason plague broke out in the Philistine cities so this time it was explained as punishment for looking at the Ark. The Ark was then sent to Kiriath Jearim where it remained hidden for 20 years during which time the Philistines took control of it again although it is unknown if they knew the Ark was in the town.

Samuel now says that the Israelites routed the Philistines and reclaimed the land from Ekron to Gath. These cities show no sign of having fallen at this time so Samuel may mean only claiming the surrounding land of these cities. The Israelites now controlled much of Canaan but the Philistines still controlled the coastal plains and Philistia.
Significantly Samuel mentions that after the Philistines routed, their Hebrew allies left them and joined the Israelites indicating the Hebrews were considerably divided.
The 17th chapter of Samuel gives a clue to the origin of the philistines. The challenge of Goliath to fight in single combat is a typical Aegean Greek action and completely foreign to local practices. The name Goliath itself is not Semitic but is Anatolian.

right there is where you took the fork in the raod away from history and into Biblcal history. By the way Ramses claimed victory and so did the Sea people but it was the Egyptians who retreated. No ground was lost on either side and the Egyptians started it. It was not an invasion.

[Twisted]

No one said the Ark was real. However it is not impossible that it was an artifact that existed even if not with the properties portrayed in the Bible. Plague was common enough that it could have been spread by those handling it and it is easy to see how a legend could spring up around a plague apparently following an inanimate object.

It's probable that the Ark was not a particulary notable item until people connected the plague to it and this required them to find an explanation for why this particular item was special enough for God to follow it around, and of course the Hebrews would then have a good story to exploit to show how powerful their God was.