Senate votes against debating troop buildup

[Ry]

Senate votes against debating troop buildup

They will not even debate about the troops build up. It is just going to happen And guess how Edwards Obama and Hillary voted on this....They are all for the troops build up.

[Shadow]

Senate votes against debating troop buildup

They will not even debate about the troops build up. It is just going to happen And guess how Edwards Obama and Hillary voted on this....They are all for the troops build up.

Not sure there is that much difference in their (Dems, Repugs and Neocons) agendas now.

[Ry]

Most of the Dems and Republicans are Neocons. The Liberals in a since always have been but the conservatives used to oppose that. One of the stupidities is that people call Democrats liberal and conservatives Republican. This just is not true.

First off liberal and conservaitve values can be split along economic and social lines.

Conservatives want less government intervention so that would mean less(no) war and less(no) restrictions on businesses also no government assisted businesses. Socially however that also means less welfare, less(no) affirmative action, less(no) healthcare etc. The environment is to be conserved.

Liberals wanted more government intervention which economically means, more regulations on businesses and the environment, more government assisted businesses, more war, less freedoms as you need a liscens for everything and higher taxes, however there are also more social programs, more welfare, more healthcare, more affrimative action, ect..

Early on the so called conservatives were hijacked by religious fanatics who really bent around the social issues. The stigma then became that Democrats (who were mostly Liberals) were the party of the minorites thus by defalut Republicans were (unfairly) painted as the dirty rich white guys who wanted no business restrictions. Likewise Liberals were (unfairly) painted as communists/hippies who did not want to work and thought everything in life should be free and that hard working people should have parasites who did not earn anything because they felt entitled to it. They were also associated with drugs. (however in reality both groups did their share of drugs be it cocaine or weed or LSD)

However on the issue of foriegn policy the two camps had an agreement. War was profitable for the coporations that financed both parties so both were equally war mongering. This by definition is not conservative thus they are renamed Neo-conservatives.

The best combination would be to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative. But what we have now are two of the same opposite mesh, socially conservative fiscally liberal parties. The only real difference now is the Democrats lean more towards globalism with America and Europe at the top and Republicans lean more towards American Imperialism.

They are all Neocons because the Neocons began as X-Leftist who jumped on the Religious right-wing of the Republicans forming the Neoconservatives. People who want war and no-bid contracts but also hate minorities and do give a shit about civil liberties.

Both live on a spectrum of malice. The best party who both camps try to link themselves with but which neither have anything to do with would be Thomas Jefferson's "Republicans". Neither party of any era fit the Jefferson model. Jefferson was most like the Libertarians.

He cut military spending did not want a central bank and let market forces determine the winners and losers in business. The government did little more than maintain a post office and up keep the roads. Social values really were not up to the government but up to the culture and they could be delt with without the government siding anywhere. The Constitution granted everyone rights. It was others who decided than all people ment land owning white males over a certain age. The reason for owning land in order to vote was theorized that tenets would be under the threat of raised rents if they did not vote the land lord's way thus giving block votes to the largest land holders, it was better they figured to just have one vote perhead. This was also a time when the mijority of people could not even read and they really feared a mob rule kind of society. Women likewise were seen to just vote with their husbands which is exactly what they did even 100 plus years later when they got voting rights. And at that time women were either married or under 16 years old. The plan for blacks for Jefferson was to return them to Africa to Liberia to be set free. He saw no way to quickly mass educate them nor any realism of setting them free in America short of a massive civil war that could ruin the brand new republic thus he made it illegal to get any more slaves from Africa or the Caribbean but he could not keep people from breeding the slaves they already had. He kept his own slaves for they lived well and had no where else to go. He did finance Nepoleon who in the beginning was toppling tyrants.

Jefferson is known as an intellectual and he certainly was, however when it came down to it he was just a big (6'2) Virginian with a gun who hated taxes and had a love for liberty and self sufficiency.

[islamic-s]

Senate votes against debating troop buildup

They will not even debate about the troops build up. It is just going to happen And guess how Edwards Obama and Hillary voted on this....They are all for the troops build up.

how come the troops number never gets reported at the exact number , they always say around 3000 troops .mothf*#s