Ahmadinejad in disagreement with religious clerics again

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Ahmadinejad in flap over wearing of ties in Iran

(AFP) – 19 hours ago

TEHRAN — Iran's President Mahmud Ahmadinejad has run into trouble with a conservative cleric over whether men are allowed to wear ties in the Islamic republic, the news agency ISNA reported on Tuesday.

"I say to him that many religious dignitaries believe ties should not be worn," said Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, who is normally a close ally of the president, a fellow hardliner.

"The supreme guide (Ayatollah Ali Khamenei) himself has said in a fatwa (religious edict) that the wearing of ties or bowties is not permitted," Khatami said.

In the latest such controversy, Ahmadinejad has gone on record as saying that no religious leader has banned the tie, which since the 1979 Islamic revolution has been regarded as a symbol of Western culture.

But the tie has in past years been making a comeback in Iran, especially at events such as weddings and funerals.

Khatami also criticised the president for saying it was not a problem for a man to shave his beard. "I call on Mr Ahmadinejad not to take up complicated religious questions because this weakens the government," he said.

In June, the Iranian president aroused the wrath of fellow hardliners and several top Shiite clerics for criticising a police crackdown on improperly veiled women.

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[RonPizzle]

Can't wait till like year 2200, when even the sheeple get smart enough to realize how much of a sham religion is.

[mrbheem]

Can't wait till like year 2200, when even the sheeple get smart enough to realize how much of a sham religion is.

First off, (IMO) it is not un-islamic to wear a tie.

second, they are trying to remove western influence.

all this debate comes from the fact that the prophet PBUH said: "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." now if someone interprets this as meaning you cannot wear ties, then that's a matter of debate.

[RonPizzle]

Can't wait till like year 2200, when even the sheeple get smart enough to realize how much of a sham religion is.

second, they are trying to remove western influence.

Trying to remove western influence? Tell them to get off the internet, stop driving, and turn off their electricity, there's your western influence.

[mrbheem]

that's the dumbest thing i ever heard. how is a car western? how is electricity western? those things have nothing to do with culture, they are just inventions.

[Ry]

ties.... really? Is that even worth talking about?

I guess it is no dumber than arguing about whether or not we have to wear ties here for certain events. I think telling people what they have to wear except for when the uniform has some definite functional purpose, is pretty ridiculous.

[RonPizzle]

that's the dumbest thing i ever heard. how is a car western? how is electricity western? those things have nothing to do with culture, they are just inventions.

Is it really now? Do you know what kind of culture breeds these types of inventions? I'll give you a hint, not the ones who make their women subhuman or the ones who view freedom as some abhorrent heretical behaivor. You can sit here and sympathize with this disgusting culture all you want, just know that I am on the side of freedom for all, not the freedom of a specific group when it's in my best interests. Yea I'm looking at you.

[mrbheem]

LOL thanks for saving me the time Tim

[mrbheem]

and as a side note, the ones listed in that article are only a few.. chemistry for instance comes from the word kimia in Arabic.

modern society literally would not exist as it does today if it were not for the advancements made by Muslims that got Europe out of the dark ages.

so if we go along your line of thought, the "west" took our ideas, built off them. only the west contributed shit that fucked up the world instead of advancing the world. ie, western medicine does not heal anything, pharma is a scam. because the "west" "learns" with the wrong mindset, FREEDOM to be a slave that's what you support. have fun sucking corporate dick and buying iPhones

[GamerS]

Wow, even here we have typical American ignorant exceptionalism. I'm pretty sure the first use of electricity (and invention of a chemical battery) for use in electroplating was in ancient Persia. Being from Iran myself, I would not deny that there are many people there who are backwards, with some of that attributable to extreme interpretations of Islam (and some good benefits gleaned from Islam) but the civilization and it's achievements go back for a long time. They were involved in math and science when Europeans were in the dark ages. And they had a secular democratic government in recent history. It was "western culture" that fucked that up for them. Want to know why so many of us "ragheads" move to your beloved USA? It's because you fucked up our countries and left us vulnerable to our worst elements. People better not hope for government collapse here, what you'll get telling you what to do is the religious right and the tea parties. It won't be us anti-war people who gain power. Scott Horton said it best," Iran's worst crime is that it had the nerve to steal it's country back"