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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QemYNQfix-c

Hilarious and true. I wish more people in the 'truth movement' would get real about shit like this.

He's wrong.
Washington emancipates his slaves.
Jefferson wrote the declaration not Washington
Jefferson had slaves BUT he did stop the slave trade from Africa and the US. He did not free current slaves in the US because he thought it would lead to war but wanted to gradually liberate them state by state.

Of his personal slaves were actually his family. His step father (also his uncle) had three wives die in child birth. Needless to say he was messed up mentally. A slave girl who had had three children healthy then bore him three children. Jefferson upon discovering this bought all six of them in order to prevent them from being bought by someone else. They were his cousins. Later he bought the spouses of these same people for the same reason to prevent them from being taken somewhere else and to avoid harsh treatment. He set up a school for his slaves and while they were children all the students black, white or half and half were educated together. However at a certain age only the boys really continued and the girls wen to learn more practical things for females. But that was the times. There were not contraceptives and odds were each would be anchored with babies by their late teens.

Ben Franklin (also on the money) only had two slaves who he treated as his friends as a young man and then set free. He published writings on freeing the slaves and his very last public act was to send to Congress a petition on behalf of the Pennsylvania Society asking for the abolition of slavery and an end to the slave trade. It would be Jefferson who finally ended the slave trade but who did not release all standing slaves who had already been bought.

Chappelle might want to know that before the next time he goes out ranting about founding fathers and he might have more respect for them as well. It is not like Lincoln was the first to bring up abolition. And it's not like Lincoln didn't supported sending blacks back to Africa, racial segregation or killing off the Native Americans in total war, wage slavery, mercantilism, torture, etc.

1 Jefferson didn't have sexual acts with his slaves his step father did and he was crazy after losing 3 wives. Jefferson paid special attention to certain slaves because scretly they were his family. Not his lovers. He was Deeply in love with his wife to be since college.

2 Franklin wanted to get rid of Hessians because they were not part of the colony, they didn't speak English and they constantly harassed the Indians after other whites had made peace agreements thus bringing the backlash on the whole and making it impossible for the English to get anywhere. They were not immigrants, they were their own colony and lived in rings around the English towns. Most of them were deserted mercenaries, or criminals who fled the law.

3 Slavery was part of the culture, it was everywhere and had existed since Ancient times. Every group of people has been slaves before. The word Slav comes from Slavs as in Eastern Europeans who were made slave by both the West and Africa. Prior to that Romans had slaves fight to the death as well as POWs. Greeks had slaves, Chinese had slaves, Egypt had slaves, pretty much everyone in the world believed in Slavery other than the Persians who out lawed it and some Native American groups. Otherwise it was perfectly normal. And you could argue that women were sort of slaves up until fairly modern times.

Jefferson ended the slaved trade to Africa, and he did not have sex with his slaves. That is based on his note book giving special attention to one slave, and if they would read his bio they would learn that she was his cousin/step sister.

Ben Franklin even wrote in argument that black slaves if given education could be just as productive as whites and asked if he could have two students to prove his point, but he was denied.

Read their Bios. There are nice think books about all the founders. But people skip over that read Wiki and then go off a ranting. Learn history mother fuckers.

Owning slaves = you're a piece of shit. Yeah it was accepted at the time, by the rich who owned them. Just like oppression of the poor is still accepted today by them. No such thing as being 'nice' to your slave. Maybe just not as mean as the other slave owners as if that's saying a lot. As far as Washington:

"Three years earlier, when it came time for Washington to announce his decision to forego a third term as president, he had expressed his views on a variety of topics, but conspicuously avoided mentioning slavery. Instead, he maintained silence on the issue" - not wikipedia

The main reason I posted this is because it's a different perspective contrary to what I feel is often the overglorification of 'the founders'.

Dave be realistic.

It's like today tying to get rid of religion. good luck.

It would be like banning smoking today. Smoking is stupid and wrong and cost us hundreds of millions in health cost. But good luck getting rid of it overnight. It also makes billions for the states that grow it. But it is being phased out by banning where it can be done more and more.

Jefferson contemplated freeing his slaves (not his family as they were already free. They didn't work for him, they lived with him and lived in his house while he was away which was pretty much always for a while.) but in the end is wasn't practical. You can't just send someone away with no real education or money into the world to get a job when 99% of the people they meet are going to be prejudice. They'd just starve within the week.

His reason to not free his slaves is where would they go? They'd make it as far as the neighbors and be snatched up and enslaved. Evil as it was ending slavery had to be a process. Jefferson knew this. He wrote about it. In his first 6 drafts of the constitution which were rejected he attempted to free slaves by allowing states to free them. Eventually he became president and in his first year he ended the slave trade with Africa and later went to war with Muslim slave traders who were selling black Africans.

Now that did not end slavery because there were so many slaves already in the US and their offspring would be slaves. It did prevent it from increasing and it did I'm sure it sat well with the families in Africa who had been fearing losing a father or mother etc.

Jefferson started phasing it out. He feared what would happen to the new Republic he if tried to do it by force. So he went in steps. Madison tried to continue this and got stuck withe war of 1812 which we nearly lost, so it was placed on the back burner. His solution was more of re-colonizing Africa. For he reasoned that at the present time where he lived, blacks would never be free among whites. He was right it took another 170 years for their to be desegregation and that was after the invention of TV (something he did not foresee) which allowed the power to speak to all at once and convince them to change their mind on the issue, an impossible task really before that. It was half a century before the civil war and also before Europe ended its African slavery. (later they just enslaved Chinese)

Also not everyone at the time was sold on the idea of races being equal. It's not like you could change everyone' minds by decree, they simply would not except it and that included many of the black people themselves. And that was South and North. You can't just magically force people to accept something even if it is true.

Try to imagine if you will if a president decided to phase out Christianity because it's a superstitious dogmatic cancer of the mind and detrimental to the fields of science, morality, maturity, and history, it abets pointless war, pacifies the public to preventable ills, is sexually oppressive, limits possible medical cures (like stem cells) and is just generally psychologically damaging and most of all total bullshit and we all know it. It's created multi billion dollar charlatans who encourage war and have even made their own private mercenary groups to crusade with and support Zionism. We can't even tax churches much less get rid of them or get them out of government. They are allowed to lobby but not allowed to be taxed.

Could you stamp it out? Impossible. It would take about 100 years or more. And it would have to be with mass media. And other smaller nations would have to do it as well.

That's how entrenched the idea of slavery and white superiority were.
The real solution to slavery would have been the way it was done all over the rest of the world and that was to buy them back from their owners and set them free. But in the US it was a little harder than say places like the UK because slaves made up about 1/2 the population is some areas and a 1/3 ~1/4 over all.

Anyway Cheppelle said Washington wrote the declaration of independence and he didn't and Washington also did emancipate his slaves. How good they had it after that or what happened to them is a different story. Ben Franklin wrote to congress to end slavery all of it in emancipation and did not own slaves himself from ages 20-84 though he did have a couple servants who were paid. And Jefferson ended the slave trade and Madison was president of the American Colonial Society which took African Americans back to Africa and sent over doctors and professional etc to Liberia to help restart a free society way from whites. Guess what they did? The black Americans started to enslave native Africans.

Another example maybe not quite is big or morally wrong but its like saying we should all drive hybrid cars. Well I' love to but I can't afford it. I have to keep my 100% gas car. But I still say that others should get hybrid if they can. But I can't give up my car (did that for three years) I need it to go to work and even it is harming the environment etc I gotta use it.

I think this is all taken too seriously. It was used for humor, I do not think Dave was trying to make a statement. It was for shits and giggles.

I know Chepelle was making a joke, but we've all heard the founding father bashing before and I am speaking to that.

George Washington freed the slaves.

It's all bullshit the story of psy ops against him.

Look, the New World Order scam is basically Sabbatean Jewish German.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vavWXqQO0I

They are the followers of Shabtai Tsvi and every one of these Zionist wackos, Jewish or German loves & adores eugenics.

Those are the facts. Look up their history and see Rockefeller, the worst whom are Sabbatean Jews at the top.

That's why they couldn't show their hand too early or just go around killing everyone at random.......because it is WRITTEN, THE ENTIRE PLAN

.....Is written inside the Judaic scripts meaning the Talmud. It writes about Eugenics, killing everyone, mass viral sprees everywhere, destroying all the tribes of dan & adam to bring on world government, it OPENLY DISCUSSES HAVING A WORLD GOVERNMENT COUNCIL inside the Talmudic Zohar......and that the rest will serve it...

If they admitted all this too early, then most people would have rebelled and slaughtered them too. If the Jews read what is in these sick books that the leadership, the ancient Zionist leadership keeps, then they would have rejected this scam a hundred years ago..

These guys are all eugenic psychopaths, that is a FACT
http://www.ziopedia.org
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw3mpStq4jc

The twin towers is CHILDS PLAY compared to what Rockefeller the New York felon wants to do......

THIS IS ALL WRITTEN IN THEIR TEXTS....THIS IS THE END GAME FOR THE WORLD GOVERNMENT....IN THEIR OWN TEXT BOOKS!!
Unless people start openly attacking these frauds and are unafraid of being called anti-semitic, then they will cull us all and slaughter us without any issue. If we resist & identify the psychopaths en masse, they will all fall down....

I see what you're saying ry but I think that they could have done a bit more. Some of their hesitancy was probably routed in the issues you described but also as you admitted there was a sentiment of white supremacy at the time and a lot of it was probably routed in that as well I think. There are quotes from Jefferson describing his feeling about that, that whites were superior.

Tyler wrote:Who cares about what some crackhead says about the founding fathers. Is he dead yet?

Chappelle is not a crackhead. Do you like emo music?