I've just realized something that could make a radical change in our immigration laws in America. The new law should be, there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant. However you choose to come to this country, you will be accepted as an American citizen and be able to apply for citizenship. Then, a citizenship application is necessary for the immigrant to hold any job. This will give incentives for the immigrants to get jobs and become citizens. Voluntary military service is also an acceptable option for aspiring citizens.
Of course, this doesnt mean just let anyone in. Obviously a known ist won't be allowed to just walk into the country like everyone else.
Any thoughts?
I know this will raise issues about healthcare and education in the long run, not to mention overcrowding, but those are all separate issues that need not be addressed directly with immigration reform, so spare me the details on the vaguely related points.
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If parents love their children, they will not be nationalistic, they will not identify themselves with any country; for the worship of the State brings on war, which kills or maims their sons.
We need borders. The way labor works is a delicate balance between the available work force and jobs and how replacable people are. An influx of unskilled labor would do nothing but lower the standard of living for everyone. Wages would drop and crime would go up. We also have to protect the integrity of our language.
For example where I live in Japan if they just had open boarders Japan would quickly become Chinese.
There is a perfectly legal and easy way to immigrate to America and every country obeys it Except from Mexico.
I say just Enforce the laws we already have.
For example where I live in Japan if they just had open boarders Japan would quickly become Chinese.
There is a perfectly legal and easy way to immigrate to America and every country obeys it Except from Mexico.
I say just Enforce the laws we already have.
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No it is both cultural and economic.
If the Mexicans were all rich and educated and brought over businesses and spoke perfect English I doubt many would care. It would be like people coming from Scotland which no one complains about.
If the Mexicans were all rich and educated and brought over businesses and spoke perfect English I doubt many would care. It would be like people coming from Scotland which no one complains about.
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If anyone here wants to learn more about Economics go here:
http://www.mises.org/
Even better for those who don't like to read, and history too:
http://www.mises.org/media.aspx
Nothing is more important than learning Economics, the world is ruled by people who know this. But good economics, there is a lot of shit that is taught at Universities, most are just apologists for the state.
A couple other good blogs:
http://mutualist.blogspot.com/
http://www.cafehayek.com/
http://www.mises.org/
Even better for those who don't like to read, and history too:
http://www.mises.org/media.aspx
Nothing is more important than learning Economics, the world is ruled by people who know this. But good economics, there is a lot of shit that is taught at Universities, most are just apologists for the state.
A couple other good blogs:
http://mutualist.blogspot.com/
http://www.cafehayek.com/
Ry,
I have looked over your site a few times before joining, overall I think it is good. I listened to your audios too, well done. I think you would do well though to not let people post anti-semetic stuff on your site. By this I don't mean what is mostly on yuor site, I mean by some of the comments I saw Iconoclast make, it only serves to discredit you. And if you continue to let it happen, I will think that you too are working for or with the wrong guys.
The Jewish strength of the Zionists want anti-semitism. They have always been behind the most anti-semetic groups. This keeps the jewish population sticking together and scared. Most jews vote democrat, not republican. From what I know, many jews in the U.S. are anti-war. Also the Neo-Conservatives are not conservative. In any economic sense. Many of them are Straussians and former and probably still are Trotskyites. Many are jewish as you said and of course zionist.
They are a form of liberal elitist. Maybe conservative in the original sense of the word, meaning elitism. This is not religious, they are not religious at all, they are athiestic or pagan, at least the Straussians are. I doubt if Bush is even religious. In the form of the greeks, nietzsche, heidegger (Nazi), kojeve, plato aristotle, and of course Carl Schmitt (Nazi) , so they like two former Nazis. They have an esoteric and an exoteric. The outside is conservative (a lie, a noble lie), the inside is liberal. Neo stands for new.
Also the Straussians are nihilists, in the sense that they think that our modern world lacks meaning, and that they are giving it and our lives meaning.
This is very fascist, and also I would say ancient greek, roman. They believe our modern liberal world is pathetic, people are to easy going, to spoiled etc. But they also have a zionist agenda.
As far as the borders right now, this may be their perfect chance to bring the troops in, and get people used to and ready for marshal law. The whole thing may be for this reason. They need a reason to bring the troops in, here it is. They fund it, they let them in, bring the troops to the civilian areas.
I still don't know which way it is going. Long term I am quite sure they want to make Mexico, U.S. and Canada as one union. They will keep their names, but there will be free flow over the borders, just like the EU and one currency.
We will all be under the same rules ( the patriot act) . Canadian prime minister is a warboy. Stephen Harper wwas taught by professors that were taught by Allan Bloom. Allan Bloom was taught by Leo Strauss. Not to long ago reported that U.S. and Canada military will be coming closer together.
This is the Council on Foreign relations plan. So I could understand the open borders they wanted. Also for the U.S. to sustain it's crazy spending without falling apart very soon, it needs more people, and they are very ambitious about what they still want to do in the middle east and the world. I think US is being used to form world government.
But I also see the U.S. becoming more singular for a period of time while doing this, almost like another Germany. It is becoming a fascist state big time, and how everyone is beginning to hate the U.S. Maybe it will be the next Germany the world will have to put down. The U.N. will have to put it down? It will be blamed on the Jews, there will be a sharp rise in anti-semitism, and they will be fed to Israel. This will bring the world governement?
Who knows, but the troops on the border is very bad news , you don't want this. This is why the founding fathers hated standing armies. All you need now is for Mexican army and drug lords and the troops to start fighting, then there is war between U.S. and Mexico. If this happens, it will probably be, and already is, the death squads from South America, trained by the U.S. These will be the same people that Negroponte had trained in Iran Contra. They are in Iraq now! These guys are nuts, and are ruthless killers, they are probably the ones behind the assasinations in Iraq.
Making look like civil war to get Shia and Sunnie pissed at each other. I'm not sure though.
I have looked over your site a few times before joining, overall I think it is good. I listened to your audios too, well done. I think you would do well though to not let people post anti-semetic stuff on your site. By this I don't mean what is mostly on yuor site, I mean by some of the comments I saw Iconoclast make, it only serves to discredit you. And if you continue to let it happen, I will think that you too are working for or with the wrong guys.
The Jewish strength of the Zionists want anti-semitism. They have always been behind the most anti-semetic groups. This keeps the jewish population sticking together and scared. Most jews vote democrat, not republican. From what I know, many jews in the U.S. are anti-war. Also the Neo-Conservatives are not conservative. In any economic sense. Many of them are Straussians and former and probably still are Trotskyites. Many are jewish as you said and of course zionist.
They are a form of liberal elitist. Maybe conservative in the original sense of the word, meaning elitism. This is not religious, they are not religious at all, they are athiestic or pagan, at least the Straussians are. I doubt if Bush is even religious. In the form of the greeks, nietzsche, heidegger (Nazi), kojeve, plato aristotle, and of course Carl Schmitt (Nazi) , so they like two former Nazis. They have an esoteric and an exoteric. The outside is conservative (a lie, a noble lie), the inside is liberal. Neo stands for new.
Also the Straussians are nihilists, in the sense that they think that our modern world lacks meaning, and that they are giving it and our lives meaning.
This is very fascist, and also I would say ancient greek, roman. They believe our modern liberal world is pathetic, people are to easy going, to spoiled etc. But they also have a zionist agenda.
As far as the borders right now, this may be their perfect chance to bring the troops in, and get people used to and ready for marshal law. The whole thing may be for this reason. They need a reason to bring the troops in, here it is. They fund it, they let them in, bring the troops to the civilian areas.
I still don't know which way it is going. Long term I am quite sure they want to make Mexico, U.S. and Canada as one union. They will keep their names, but there will be free flow over the borders, just like the EU and one currency.
We will all be under the same rules ( the patriot act) . Canadian prime minister is a warboy. Stephen Harper wwas taught by professors that were taught by Allan Bloom. Allan Bloom was taught by Leo Strauss. Not to long ago reported that U.S. and Canada military will be coming closer together.
This is the Council on Foreign relations plan. So I could understand the open borders they wanted. Also for the U.S. to sustain it's crazy spending without falling apart very soon, it needs more people, and they are very ambitious about what they still want to do in the middle east and the world. I think US is being used to form world government.
But I also see the U.S. becoming more singular for a period of time while doing this, almost like another Germany. It is becoming a fascist state big time, and how everyone is beginning to hate the U.S. Maybe it will be the next Germany the world will have to put down. The U.N. will have to put it down? It will be blamed on the Jews, there will be a sharp rise in anti-semitism, and they will be fed to Israel. This will bring the world governement?
Who knows, but the troops on the border is very bad news , you don't want this. This is why the founding fathers hated standing armies. All you need now is for Mexican army and drug lords and the troops to start fighting, then there is war between U.S. and Mexico. If this happens, it will probably be, and already is, the death squads from South America, trained by the U.S. These will be the same people that Negroponte had trained in Iran Contra. They are in Iraq now! These guys are nuts, and are ruthless killers, they are probably the ones behind the assasinations in Iraq.
Making look like civil war to get Shia and Sunnie pissed at each other. I'm not sure though.
Icon is really the only one.
Im torn between my distain for discrimination and my love for free speech.
I have always said everyone should have free speech including even the kkk types. now icon is not a Klansman type and not a racist but he is a anti-semite.
Still I try to just make the arguments against anti-semitism in response to such post so that by looking at the arguments people can see what the stronger position is.
To just censor someone makes it seem like what they have to say is too dangerous. If Icon really hates Zionism (even if for the wrong reasons) then he would do best to censor himself as no one is won over by pejudice other than people who are already prejudice. Not a single person gets converted. And plenty get turned off. A lot of people think Icon is just an asshole. I think he is an ass hole too sometimes but not always. Sometimes his controvesy atually helps peak interest and by stating his rhetoric about Zee Jews everyone else statec clearly how opposed they are to that thus showing how the entire board is not anti-semitic.
Its true that most anti-semitic groups are supported by Zionist as Zionist in my mind are anti-semites themselves.
As far as most Jews voting Democrat over Republican that doesn't matter as both parties are the same. Democrats over all have actually been worse when it ocmes to zionism and war than Republicans.
The Neocons are mainly X-leftist who just attach themselves to whoever is in power but they found a stuanch ally in the Christian Right
Most Jews I have met actually are Zionist. In fact close to all of them. now I do not call Atheist jews jews, if they are atheists then they are just Hebrews becauswe Judaism is a religion. I know plenty of Hebrews opposed to the ocucpation and the wars ect. But I dont know of very many Jews. Still there are plenty and to just blanket the whole religion is as silly as judging all christians by the pat robertson types.
Nearly EVERYONE who is pro war is Christian or Jewish and the more religious they are the more they support the government, but it does not flip the other way many anti-war people are christians too and some jews.
Atheists are anti-war. you would be hard pressed to meet pro-war or government atheist. I think it is because religion appeals to those of an authoritarian mind set. It doesnt matter which religion it is.
Im torn between my distain for discrimination and my love for free speech.
I have always said everyone should have free speech including even the kkk types. now icon is not a Klansman type and not a racist but he is a anti-semite.
Still I try to just make the arguments against anti-semitism in response to such post so that by looking at the arguments people can see what the stronger position is.
To just censor someone makes it seem like what they have to say is too dangerous. If Icon really hates Zionism (even if for the wrong reasons) then he would do best to censor himself as no one is won over by pejudice other than people who are already prejudice. Not a single person gets converted. And plenty get turned off. A lot of people think Icon is just an asshole. I think he is an ass hole too sometimes but not always. Sometimes his controvesy atually helps peak interest and by stating his rhetoric about Zee Jews everyone else statec clearly how opposed they are to that thus showing how the entire board is not anti-semitic.
Its true that most anti-semitic groups are supported by Zionist as Zionist in my mind are anti-semites themselves.
As far as most Jews voting Democrat over Republican that doesn't matter as both parties are the same. Democrats over all have actually been worse when it ocmes to zionism and war than Republicans.
The Neocons are mainly X-leftist who just attach themselves to whoever is in power but they found a stuanch ally in the Christian Right
Most Jews I have met actually are Zionist. In fact close to all of them. now I do not call Atheist jews jews, if they are atheists then they are just Hebrews becauswe Judaism is a religion. I know plenty of Hebrews opposed to the ocucpation and the wars ect. But I dont know of very many Jews. Still there are plenty and to just blanket the whole religion is as silly as judging all christians by the pat robertson types.
Nearly EVERYONE who is pro war is Christian or Jewish and the more religious they are the more they support the government, but it does not flip the other way many anti-war people are christians too and some jews.
Atheists are anti-war. you would be hard pressed to meet pro-war or government atheist. I think it is because religion appeals to those of an authoritarian mind set. It doesnt matter which religion it is.
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I think for people who are first brought in to this, having anti-semetic stuff on the site, they will say often "Why does this guy let these people post this?" "Why does he keep that guy around?" Since the board is yours, while you might not stand for every opinion on it, they all reflect on you, they are all a representation of what you'll tolerate.
Would you have him stand up in front of a podium for you, or talk in your living room to people you don't know? It just creates a straw man, an achilles heal or the elephant in the living room that will look bad.
Look over my site, just watch for the "Gas the jews" land mine.
Anyways just thought I'd let you know, it's your site.
As far as Jew being religion, I still haven't figured that out, it is a religion and a race. In the state of Israel what matters is race, and a Jew not being religious does not stop him from being a Jew. I am talking about those born Jews by race. If you mean that many Jews( by my classification, race) believe Israel should be a state in the middle east, I agree with you. But many, many do not support it's policies.
I only consider Zionist those who support Israel's state policies, and believe in the rascist state and it's hegemony. Zionism is not much different then Nazism really. By the way, I'm not Jewish and I believe Israel should be a state in the middle east, in the sense that I think it should stay, possibly go back to the size it first came into existence. If not the latter, then it should make it's borders known and cease hegemony and change it's rascist policies.
Israel in it's present conception is a rascist state, plain and simple. As far as supporting Israel, I don't think it should close up shop and pack it in, and clear all the Jews out of the middle east, I just think it needs to change, and this is what I think many Jews also think from what I have encountered.
As far as all athiest being anti-war, ah, that is interesting. Just to let you know I am an athiest, and I think this is not true. To me I don't know which is worse, religion or athiesm. I would say it doesn't matter, what matters is militant ideoligy. When people believe in something, and think the rest of the world should too, we have problems. I have met many athiests that are very much for war. Many Objectivists, Straussians, Communists, Trotskyites, even Ken Wilber, a supposed buddhist was for Iraq ( which I think is athiest unless tibetan, even this I think is athiest though) Most buddhists, are usually peaceful though.
Many philosophies and religions seek to do the same thing, marginalize the individual. Make the individual sacrificial to something higher, be it race, state, religion, nature, god.
Some of the worst atrocities the world has ever seen were carried out by athiests and their states. Look at the 20th century. Communism, whatever you choose to call it Maoism , Stalinism, Leninsm. Fascism , Nazism ( Nazism was a little mystical too) What about social darwinism and eugenics.
Reason, free from blinding spells revelation and myth do not always lead to ethics. Unless one knows how to think it through properly, it can easy be used to undermine ethics. 20 century postmoderism and relativism did much to undermine ethics. If everything is relative, what about rights, are they relative also?
In the declaration it says " we hold these truths to be self evident" but are they? They did look to the creator for justification, without that are they still justified? If one does not know how to think these through with care, it is easy to fuck up peoples heads.
Most athiests really don't think throught the death of god, they just walk around being godly athiests.
Would you have him stand up in front of a podium for you, or talk in your living room to people you don't know? It just creates a straw man, an achilles heal or the elephant in the living room that will look bad.
Look over my site, just watch for the "Gas the jews" land mine.
Anyways just thought I'd let you know, it's your site.
As far as Jew being religion, I still haven't figured that out, it is a religion and a race. In the state of Israel what matters is race, and a Jew not being religious does not stop him from being a Jew. I am talking about those born Jews by race. If you mean that many Jews( by my classification, race) believe Israel should be a state in the middle east, I agree with you. But many, many do not support it's policies.
I only consider Zionist those who support Israel's state policies, and believe in the rascist state and it's hegemony. Zionism is not much different then Nazism really. By the way, I'm not Jewish and I believe Israel should be a state in the middle east, in the sense that I think it should stay, possibly go back to the size it first came into existence. If not the latter, then it should make it's borders known and cease hegemony and change it's rascist policies.
Israel in it's present conception is a rascist state, plain and simple. As far as supporting Israel, I don't think it should close up shop and pack it in, and clear all the Jews out of the middle east, I just think it needs to change, and this is what I think many Jews also think from what I have encountered.
As far as all athiest being anti-war, ah, that is interesting. Just to let you know I am an athiest, and I think this is not true. To me I don't know which is worse, religion or athiesm. I would say it doesn't matter, what matters is militant ideoligy. When people believe in something, and think the rest of the world should too, we have problems. I have met many athiests that are very much for war. Many Objectivists, Straussians, Communists, Trotskyites, even Ken Wilber, a supposed buddhist was for Iraq ( which I think is athiest unless tibetan, even this I think is athiest though) Most buddhists, are usually peaceful though.
Many philosophies and religions seek to do the same thing, marginalize the individual. Make the individual sacrificial to something higher, be it race, state, religion, nature, god.
Some of the worst atrocities the world has ever seen were carried out by athiests and their states. Look at the 20th century. Communism, whatever you choose to call it Maoism , Stalinism, Leninsm. Fascism , Nazism ( Nazism was a little mystical too) What about social darwinism and eugenics.
Reason, free from blinding spells revelation and myth do not always lead to ethics. Unless one knows how to think it through properly, it can easy be used to undermine ethics. 20 century postmoderism and relativism did much to undermine ethics. If everything is relative, what about rights, are they relative also?
In the declaration it says " we hold these truths to be self evident" but are they? They did look to the creator for justification, without that are they still justified? If one does not know how to think these through with care, it is easy to fuck up peoples heads.
Most athiests really don't think throught the death of god, they just walk around being godly athiests.
What I am saying is a person smart enough to break away from a nationalist racial idenity is usually smart enough to can religion as well.
I wrote Icon a letter. I see what you mean by new people who come here he is really going to put them off.
I wrote Icon a letter. I see what you mean by new people who come here he is really going to put them off.
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A while back, I would have agreed with you and would have kept silent to avoid turning people off. But now I've realized that appeasing the system does nothing to hurt the system. When one has to limit and dumb down their speech to conform to the norms and expectations of the system, the system controls and sterilizes any sentiment against it.Ry wrote:What I am saying is a person smart enough to break away from a nationalist racial idenity is usually smart enough to can religion as well.
I wrote Icon a letter. I see what you mean by new people who come here he is really going to put them off.
For instance, the minute men are a diversion from the real issues behind immigration. The minute men claim to be against illegal immigration because "it is the law". The real issue is that immigration poses threats to the existing culture of a nation. Thus, the debate turns away from the cultural impact of immigration and focuses on the legality of it.
If someone cannot handle breaking away from the building blocks of society and be unable to control their knee-jerk responses to my "extremism", then these people are left to whatever masturbatory social clubs suit them. Such people do not want social change, they just want to chat with their friends and think they're doing revolutionary work by doing whatever they find fun and exciting.
I, essentially, work as a filter that weeds out the people who'd rather engage in faux rebellion. Anybody who would spend 3 minutes at this site would know that I'm the only one who really shares my views. If someone does not have the emotional intelligence or mental capacity to understand this, then it is best they do not join.
Of course, it is understandable that you'd want me to tone down or censor me because not the content is the problem, per se, but its impact on the functioning of the board. I'd understand, though I'd also ask you to keep my arguments in mind.
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