A little help...

[TEF]

Does anyone have a source on the death toll (Iraqi) for the Iraq war. There are people claiming it is as low as 42 thousand, Ive heard numbers over 100,000 (civilians), but I can't seem to find a source. Thanks for the help in advance...OH and nice to join up with everyone again.

[mediasyko]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Oct28.html


It's a study that there may be over 100,000, but the actual number of 'reported' deaths are somewhere around 25,000.

[Dilapidated Nation]

Does anyone have a source on the death toll (Iraqi) for the Iraq war. There are people claiming it is as low as 42 thousand, Ive heard numbers over 100,000 (civilians), but I can't seem to find a source. Thanks for the help in advance...OH and nice to join up with everyone again.

They talked about this in a Democracy Now! episode

New Study Says 24,000 Iraqi Civilians Killed
A new independent report released Tuesday puts the number of Iraqi civilians who died violent deaths in the two years since the US-led invasion began at more than 24,000. The study found that US and coalition military forces were responsible for 37% of the deaths, with anti-occupation forces and the resistance responsible for 9%. A further 36% were blamed on criminal violence. Figures obtained last week from the Iraqi interior ministry put the average civilian and police officer death toll in insurgent attacks from August 2004 to March 2005 at 800 a month. The report was done by Iraq Body Count and the Oxford Research Group.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar ... Oct28.html


It's a study that there may be over 100,000, but the actual number of 'reported' deaths are somewhere around 25,000.

yup, looks like these are the same reports

[Ry]

I have one on the cover page of www.ancreport.com/forum it is always up to date.

It is up to 120,000 Iraqis BUT that does not evcen include the Sunni Triangle where we don't keep stats.

www.antiwar.com/casualties has links to everything.

When Rumfled was asked about Iraqi casualties he said "we are not concerned with that"

[TEF]

I had no idea that the American casualties were that high, the official count is at 13,000. Then it says the Iraqi civilian body count is between 22-25,000. I guess the other 100,000 are considered "terrorists."

[Dilapidated Nation]

I had no idea that the American casualties were that high, the official count is at 13,000. Then it says the Iraqi civilian body count is between 22-25,000. I guess the other 100,000 are considered "terrorists."

No, I think it's just that they can only confirm 22-25,000 dead.

[Ry]

No the official number of americans who died in combat is 1397 but the total death who died in Iraq is 1770 there are always a lot of drinking and driving accidents or blue on blue.

When you include how many were killed but died in hostpitals in Germany it is more like 3000 dead.

[Fat Pat]

I had no idea that the American casualties were that high, the official count is at 13,000. Then it says the Iraqi civilian body count is between 22-25,000. I guess the other 100,000 are considered "terrorists."

No, I think it's just that they can only confirm 22-25,000 dead.

No, no, no. 100,000 CASUALTIES. A casualty is someone dead OR seriously wounded. There are only 22-25,000 DEAD.

I can't count how many times I've seen that figure fucked up though. Even one of the candidates for M.P. in England last May said 100,000 had died in Iraq and that figure's just plain wrong. I mean, that's 5 times inflated of what it actually is. Not that 20,000 or so isn't high. That's extremely high.

[Ry]

no the 100 thousand figure is not wrong. But it is more like 120 thousand who have DIED. And that is just from the war. Millions died from the sanctions.

Galloway put it best and he said it to the senate with out a challenge that 120 thousand were dead. 100 thousnad Iraqis and 1770 Americans and 130 plus troops from other countries that's 120, 000 dead people.

the 22 thousand figure sounds like crap from some 'liberal' station like Democracy Now or CBS.

100 thousand Iraqi civilians are dead. We don't even have numbers on the Sunni Triangle or on the Iraqi troops. We also have 13538 wounded Americans.

So American's alone have 20,000 casualties. When you add in just the Iraq's dead (the wounded would be impossible to number) and you add in the dead from England and Poland and you get 120,000 causalties (plus a huge number of unconfirmable and uncountables)

[Fat Pat]

I do believe you're wrong, Ry, but I have no way to prove it. I just know that a "Casualty" does not mean the person is dead. I've heard 100,000 Casualties and 22 to 25,000 dead. And then I've heard people say 100,000 dead. If anything, we really need to get this right. You can't be walking around saying the death toll is 5 times what it is if it isn't. That totally discredits your argument. Do you have some way to prove that it's 100,000 dead and not just 100,000 casualties? I seriously just want to know.

And Democracy Now! is FAR from CBS, my friend. Seriously, Democracy Now! is putting out some great investigative media for progressives and it really is a shame if you choose to ignore it.