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Post by Phys » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:58 pm

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Post by Mila » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:37 pm

I am all for pro-choice. The way I see it, the greatest cause of global warming, habitat destruction, and species extinction is human overpopulation. And I am not too fond of guns myself. Otherwise, I suppose she is Satan.
"Democracy cannot survive overpopulation. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. As you put more and more people into the world, the value of life not only declines, it disappears. It doesn't matter if someone dies. The more people there are, the less one individual matters." ~ Isaac Asimov

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Post by Phys » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:51 pm

Mila wrote:I am all for pro-choice. The way I see it, the greatest cause of global warming, habitat destruction, and species extinction is human overpopulation. And I am not too fond of guns myself. Otherwise, I suppose she is Satan.
Also a nice one. Not a gun lover either and for sure pro-choice. The global warming stuff you are opening up a can of worms around here but I agree with you and feel the science supports it. In fact, I dont know any real scientist who disagrees with the study of global warming.

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Post by Ry » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:00 pm

I am pro-choice its a non-issue for president though since it is a judicial issue and even with Pro-life Bush in full control the decision is not going to change because they make too much money from it. And human over population is not a problem. The problems with the environment come from amoral corporations poisoning the food water and air.

Guns are good.

Thunk is right. Hillary voted for all the war and voted for all the money for the wars. And this excuse that oh we all thought Iraq had WMDs is bullshit. If I a guy with noting but a computer could figure it out the press should have figured it out. It was simple there was never any fucking physical evidence for WMDs thus there were none. duh.

Hillary supports the apartheid wall and anything Israel wants to do.
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Post by Ry » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:24 pm

Japan is a great example. They half half the US's population (3rd largest in the world) crammed in the space the size of Montana. Yet they have the lowest crime rate of any industrialized nation, the highest life expectancy, they highest education all around and the highest in science second in math. People live freely and there is a 90% middle class.

Yet Tokyo is the largest city in the world with the highest population density as well. 10% of Japan lives in that one city of 35 million people. And Japan has nearly no natural resources they trade for it all. And still the majority of Japan is undeveloped land of forests and mountains. They have mass transit wind power nuclear power and very economic compacted everything.

Compare that to really anywhere with the same population. The problem is not people its government. Japan is proof that things can be done another way.
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Post by Phys » Sat Apr 19, 2008 9:32 pm

Ry wrote:Japan is a great example. They half half the US's population (3rd largest in the world) crammed in the space the size of Montana. Yet they have the lowest crime rate of any industrialized nation, the highest life expectancy, they highest education all around and the highest in science second in math. People live freely and there is a 90% middle class.

Yet Tokyo is the largest city in the world with the highest population density as well. 10% of Japan lives in that one city of 35 million people. And Japan has nearly no natural resources they trade for it all. And still the majority of Japan is undeveloped land of forests and mountains. They have mass transit wind power nuclear power and very economic compacted everything.

Compare that to really anywhere with the same population. The problem is not people its government. Japan is proof that things can be done another way.
Very true, only thing I would add is: its not just the govt it is the people. The people have a great sense of duty to each other. Honor and shame are biggies there. There is zero belief in god be it Buddhist, atheist or Shinto so they hold to humanity. When humanity is all you have, you tend to value it more. imo

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Post by Ry » Sat Apr 19, 2008 10:19 pm

Well Japan has religions and a culture that respects the environment the rest of a west has a religion that says to rule over it and its all going to be destroyed in the end anyway so it doesn't matter.

Point is the earth can sustain the life of many many more people. The biggest polluters are the idiots making DU, dumping waste into the ocean, burning coal to make ethanol testing nuclear bombs, etc. China is a problem not because of all the people but because of all the companies with zero environmental standards.
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