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wars are no longer for aparticular resource. The war is the resource. The Big Oil companies have actually been against this war Greg Plast wrote a good book abouti t.

Ry wrote:wars are no longer for aparticular resource. The war is the resource. The Big Oil companies have actually been against this war Greg Plast wrote a good book abouti t.

I've seen articles where he makes that point.

Specifically, the system ordered up by the Bush cabal would keep a lid on Iraq's oil production -- limiting Iraq's oil pumping to the tight quota set by Saudi Arabia and the OPEC cartel.

There you have it. Yes, Bush went in for the oil -- not to get more of Iraq's oil, but to prevent Iraq producing too much of it.

http://www.gregpalast.com/bush-didnt-bu ... you-fools/

The oil majors had a better use for Iraq's oil than drilling it - not drilling it. The oil bigs had bought Iraq's concession to seal it up and keep it off the market. To please his buyers' wishes, Mr. 5% spread out a big map of the Middle East on the floor of a hotel room in Belgium and drew a thick red line around the gulf oil fields, centered on Iraq. All the oil company executives, gathered in the hotel room, signed their name on the red line - vowing not to drill, except as a group, within the red-lined zone. No one, therefore, had an incentive to cheat and take red-lined oil. All of Iraq's oil, sequestered by all, was locked in, and all signers would enjoy a lift in worldwide prices. Anglo-Persian Company, now British Petroleum (BP), would pump almost all its oil, reasonably, from Persia (Iran). Later, the Standard Oil combine, renamed the Arabian-American Oil Company (Aramco), would limit almost all its drilling to Saudi Arabia. Anglo-Persian (BP) had begun pulling oil from Kirkuk, Iraq, in 1927 and, in accordance with the Red-Line Agreement, shared its Kirkuk and Basra fields with its IPC group - and drilled no more.

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/ ... i/61/20480

Good point about how war is the resource too. I wish the talking heads and other media types would make that point to larger audiences. I won't hold my breath on that one, though.

Nah its about controlling the resources for the Zionists in Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan and more so they all get their natural resources...

NoApartheid wrote:Nah its about controlling the resources for the Zionists in Turkey, Israel, Azerbaijan and more so they all get their natural resources...

Not to mention the prevention of organized/concentrated resistance against Israeli occupation.

The "war on terror" is fraudulent. The cruel war and the deceptive vocabulary that protects it are a cover for expanding US and Israeli hegemony in the Middle East and for constructing a functioning police state at home. A country in which people cannot make airline reservations without the government's permission is not a free country.
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts10252007.html

Bush has made the US into a colony of Israel. The US is incurring massive debt and loss of both life and reputation in order to silence Muslim opposition to Israel’s theft of Palestine and the Golan Heights. That is what the “war on terror” is about.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e16175.htm

Not to mention the prevention of organized/concentrated resistance against Israeli occupation.

Yah that's right, essentially more or less its just a land grab. The Zionists and Christian Zionist supporters expel people off their lands, tell them they can't come back, give the contracts over to Turkish and Israeli firms who make the same amount of money off their projects everywhere & then incorporate it into the tax reports.

Then they say this is all morally justified by God or something to that effect, that the bible preaches it, and that this is saving democracy.

I call it totaltarianism. Some Jewish people call it morally justified and correct, that's fine if that is what they think but I find the large majority of jews agree with me that it is wrong.

There's no way this kind of spending and land confiscation can ever be justified- IF AND EVEN IF the Bible was totally above all the truth and could never be infallible.

Yes. There are definitely Jews who disagree with the occupation and the inhumane Israeli treatment of Palestians (not to mention the sway Israel exerts over US foreign policy). I've met a few of them as well as read their work.

So, I can confirm their existence.

Ry wrote:wars are no longer for aparticular resource. The war is the resource. The Big Oil companies have actually been against this war Greg Plast wrote a good book abouti t.

Spot on (and a great phrase, that I stole and used in a debate yesterday evening, and will do again tonight). This concept is difficult for most of the population to grasp.

"This concept is difficult for most of the population to grasp."

Just depends on what you're doing and if they need to really grasp it or someone needs to explain it. To explain it is a lot different than grasping it its just part of the whole thing.

Like the pipelines that run into Haifia Israel from the central part of Iraq and also the pipelines that cross it on the other side which goes into the town of Ceyhan. There is a route which transports large resources across each side of the divide into Turkey too which distributes it into Baku again which also trades with Iran.

All these resource territories are worth so much that no middle eastern country would stop until they can get control of them I mean the area alone around the Baku-Ceyhan route is estimated to be worth over $1 trillion dollars. Can't even imagine who didn't jump in this is one giant shell game. I mean all these companies who are making money have similar people working there and similar names, find me a company and I'll find you ten others like it.

This part is what is the most lengthy and complex to explain it comes down to who owns their contracts and what is using those contracts.

what I meant by that, is the bog standard guy on the street will deny that the war is the resourse. Most people do not belive that governments will willingly undertake murder.

I'm going to a party tonight, and will test this theory out on anyone who will listen.