Jeff Rense and Alex Jones, Ry take on it.

[Ry]

Jeff Rense

Rense is another host on Genesis. Rense will condemn Zionism, and even complain that the Holocaust is a hoax, but most of what he has on his web site and on his radio show is nonsense about UFOs.

Some people will try to pick through his articles in the hope of finding something intelligent, but I suspect that most intelligent people will think to themselves,
"Holy Mother of Bush. Since his articles about UFOs don't have any supporting evidence, how can I trust his articles about Zionism or the Holocaust?"

Furthermore, when somebody criticizes Zionism or the Holocaust, the Zionists can counter their arguments with remarks such as,

"Oh, you don't believe the official story of the Holocaust? You should go to Rense.com where all the UFO believers, remote viewers, time travelers, and Holocaust deniers gather to discuss their hallucinations, you dumb ass."

I am so sick of having to explain away the utter nonsense that is attached to the truth about 911. Everything from Space aliens and fish people, to neo-nazi groups have attached themselves to the 911 conspiracy.

Look 911 was not carried about by Devil Worshipers. 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad and its Neocon moles in the US government. The back bone of Zionism is fanatical Jews and Christians. More money goes to fund the Israeli occupation from Evangelical Christian churches than from the government even.

I know people will say that Pat Robertson is not a *real* Christian. News flash Yes he is. Is he a BAD Christian? Absolutely! but to say he does not hold the minimal believes in a savior a god the creation story and all that other biblical mess is not true because he and his millions of brain-dead followers DO believe in all that crap. In fact it is one of the main motivations help Zionism because they think they must create conditions to fulfill Biblical prophecies. (making Jerusalem Jewish being one of those)

Now if you just want to say that they do not follow some of the teachings of Christ then you are absolutely right. But then again basically no one does.

Face it, All of Bush's support come from the 30 or so percent of the country that are Christian fanatics. Religion breeds authoritarianism. What would Israel do with out the tens of billions it receives from Christian churches? It would fall apart.

I am not saying that Christianity is to blame for what these evil idiots do. I am saying that a Religion is not intrinsically good or bad. Religion is more like a car, and the behavior of the car depends on the driver.

It seems like Moderate Christians are psychologically unable to face up to the fact that their own religion is being used to stuff the war-mongers pockets and finance aggression all over the world [as it has since its invention].

So they invent groups like Moloch and even alien invasion etc anything to make a blame shift.

Alex Jones, who I admire dearly, will not mention the Israeli connection to 911. Because he can not see it with Christian lends on. (and he would probably be taken off the air)

People, when were the bombs put in the towers? Ask yourself that. Then who was caught working for a fake moving company in New Jersey after they were spotted dancing and taking pictures of the burning towers? What same moving company was in the WTC towers when the power was cut off for three days prior to 911?

According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth.

PLEASE google - 5 dancing Israelis - and read the top page. ALso see "Israeli Art Students"

Why does PNAC use the Israeli Clean Break paper as its mission statement? Why was PNAC based on Israeli policy papers in 1996? That is never mentioned.

Why are the co-authors Jews who have histories of spying for Israel such as Richard Perle and Doug Feith? How come AIPAC can be caught spying on the US and there is NO mention of it in the media including Alex Jones ect (as far as I know) they have never even brought it up? It would ruin the theories that "Bush did it" from the films. And Bush did do it, but he was a puppet of his Zionist handlers because Bush is a Christian bigot.

Israel is ALL OVER all of this. Go look at the summer scandals section on this board. Please see the 911 qucik facts sheet

I think Rense is a Real Patriot but not a critical thinker when it comes to ghosts and space aliens. That stuff HURTS the credibility. It is goofier than Zodiac signs. The site is still good and you can pick out the real information from the entertainment (aka making money) stuff.

Jones (the better of the two) is great, but I think fails to see that it’s not the illuminati or devil worshipers, it's just bad Christians.

Atheists have been and are overwhelmingly Anti-war.

PS Even devil worship STILL requires the belief in some religion.

I know a bunch of you guys believe in all that stuff. But ask yourself why the black out of the Israeli connection.

AND if anyone wants to argue about religion just try reading the bible, its full of many retarded things, everything from animal sacrifice to the divine right of kings, support for slavery and sexism, homophobia, ect is in there. I don’t see you an adult could read 5 lines of Geniuses and Not think this is a fable. Come on people, a man living in a whale's belly for three days. A guy called Samson with super strength and magic hair. A talking donkey, all of Egypt being covered in frogs... The sun being made to stand still (when it doesn’t even go around the earth). Have you read the third book, Leviticus? It is RIDICULOUS. If you followed all of those laws you would go to jail in two minutes.

Ry Anti-neocons.

[Revolution]

Rense is a good site, at least they mention Israel Alex will not do that. But I think these kind of sites get pushed because they are attached to aleins etc. It is strange to me that they got so much attention when their are other sites saying the same thing without all the gohsts and stuff or saying that the long horns/rock concert sign is a secret devils worshipers hand signal.

It is ike MSNBC had David Duke a klansman on their TV show to talk about the Harvard paper. It instantly discredits the real information.

this site and whatreallyhappened.com are better. I like to read Rense and just ignore all the obvious bull, and I love infowars, but I ignore all the Christian rhetoric. Then again it is the Christians we have to get to listen because basically they are Bush's only support so maybe it is good that there is some one like Alex out there because they will listen to their own and he can offer excuses for their own religion's institution's support for Zionism etc.

So we have to leave a back door, a way for Christians to leave Bush and the Zionist but not accept how elements of their own religion helped to create this mess, it is a lot easier to just blame the devil lol.

On the other hand Bush calls himself a conservative but he isn't one based on what conservatives believe. Yet there are all these people who call themselves conservatives (who aren't) that support Bush. Couldn't that be like the Christians verses bad Christians maybe even false Christians thing? What do you say Ry? I mean isn't that why we have the term neocon to seperate from paleo-cons?

[Chandler]

You know, this is brilliant thinking.

That is what we need a hell of a lot more of. I know, everyone is worried about their integrity and what not, but it is important that we are able to communicate civilly with those whom we disagree with. Focus on the commonalities in our knowledge, not some irreprable faith-based idea. We can't teach the faith-reliant. They can only teach themselves. They have the information, but they have "faith" that precedes it. So let them get as close as they can. And let them aid us in our endeavors.

God I hope a lot of them read this.

[flanker12k]

these guys (along with their faults) in my book are heros, hell they reset the bench mark of being true journalists in despite there are more media whores on primetime TV than there are in a monthly issue of penthouse magazine! Whores who are considered accessories to murder before and after the fact in crimes against people, these guys are damn good.


Despite I might disagree at how they approach things (on some things), I must admit the way these two have supercharged me and helped me realize why i should be in the information war against the inbred crazies bent on killing and destroying the world i live in and why it is relevent to me on a personal level. Granted alex jones does his thing with a "christian" POV, whatever, if he believes in it fine by me.


Rense.com has shown me how uncertain the world really is by the way they cover news events, they try and present things truly in the philosphy of "we deliver you decide" rather than spoon feeding you stupid shit like the major networks do.

[Ry]

Hey I love these guys. I am just saying that if they ever got Rense on tv and he started in on reptilian people or if they got Alex going on black helicopters and the Devil worshipers it would just kill our movement.

But I want to stress that these guys and the people working for them are real journalists and far better than the crap we have on TV.

Still we can not let this one line of thinking which is full of occult and religion dominate the 911 questioning.

I really with that Alex Jones who has a voice much larger than mine would just get on and explain the Israeli connection. I hope if Mike Rivero is on his show next that he will do it for them. He as linked to our site over a dozen times. That is why the summer scadal section ahs so many reads. I am confident that as soon as i get a podcast or radio style program that we too will jump to the head of the fray. There are a lot of secular thinkers out there and monderate religious types too who want to speak out but they may nbot want to be lumped into the group of alein believers etc. It kind of hurts us I think. So I think we need several kinds of voices. Some like ours and Whatreallyhappened which seem to overlap. And some like Rense for the sci-fi types and some like Alex for the religious types. The guy is hardcore against abortion etc. And I kind of question their stance of gay people..

but i do not think it divides the movement. I think it just creates different leaders like Malcom and M. Luther King or Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull they appeal to different types all fighting on the same page. And all necessary.

[Chandler]

I think it's okay to let it develop naturally. I know it's a war of words, and we must be diligent, but if you look at it carefully I think 9-11 is our ally. It was so sloppy it looks like it was SETTING UP the neo cons. I've believed for some time now that it was just a matter of time. I'm involved in this because I LOVE intelligent people, and I want to communicate with them. I don't want to be perpetually surrounded with lemmings and ants. This movement runs a lot deeper than these few message boards. I swear to you, there is a network of people with very developed organizations, far beyond internet blogging, who are approaching the same level of development as the US government. Look at how Hollywood has helped bring us to this place. Look at the remote desert compound of the Scientologists. We may not think we like these people, but let's accept their help in reforming the status quo, and at least listen to their views, if for no other reason than to weaken the opposition that we share.

Of course, this is not to diminish the difference this makes. We are part of what makes this all possible. We are real people being real, not some manufactured neo con blog saying nothing. We are the ones simply discussing the facts, and the science. Let's keep it up.

[Gyps]

i have to agree that we need to stay away from the fringe elements like aliens and the occult. it even runs to risky mentioning israel because then the whole anti-semitic thing happens...most people don't make a distinction, but we all know that. anyway that's the gist of it for me.

[Redelicious]

it even runs to risky mentioning israel because then the whole anti-semitic thing happens...most people don't make a distinction, but we all know that. anyway that's the gist of it for me.

But if we don't mention Israel then we miss the entire thing. Because that is who did it. 911 was planned by zionist, PNAC was written by them. The lie factory for the intel to go to war with Iraq was a whose who of Zionist neocons. The Media propaganda which is Jew owned as well as the Banks and the Christian Evangelist made the propagada for it.

Face it, Atta was on board with Abermoff, (seriously he was always on his casino ship) they were setting up the patsies. Plus we all know nothing is as influential as the Israeli Lobby. They even had Israeli spies.They have been caught and ther MEDIA HAS NOT MENTIONED this. That is proof that the media is beholden to Jewish Interest or shall I say Zionist interest. Because Zionist interest overlap with corporate interest. I loved that the Cash cow called Israelrant that Ry wrote about the MIC carlyle and the Israeli conflict. That pretty much explains it.

Mossad agents were caught on 911 and they worked for a fake company. The moving company address was nothing but an empty warehouse. That begs for the question to be asked just What the Hell were they doing?

If anyone could get away with it. If any group could enjoy the press free critisism, it's Israel. The Bush gov might take the fal for this in the long run and Israel will get off Scott Free.

[flanker12k]

the occult and black helicopters, is VERY MUCH PROVABLE, the reptilian stuff cannot be proven.

bohemian grove, helmut schmidt says my favorite place to do druidic rituals is northern california at the bohemian grove, in his own damn autobiography!!!

there's even a clip of nixon saying it is the most god damn faggiest place ever, referring to the grove!

the black helocopters are proven when he had the police chief of san antonio on camera saying that delta force tried to bribe him when he refused permission for them to have "urban training" drills.

he had the police chief of alice texas on video saying there are foreign troops training with delta force but he's not at liberty to say who.

he has footage of operation urban warrior "exercises" from back in 99 for putting people in fema fun centers and doing mock gun confiscation!

google "operation urban warrior" it will bring up the marine warfighting lab page hosted by the marines!

if you look up albert pikes morals and dogma, he says in there that freemasonry is a cover for lucifarianism (spelling?) the low lever masons don't know squat bout it!

the religious connection is a bit more complicated that what i said but what are the odds of the last two popes calling for a "new world order"?

the end-of-timers drive me up the wall!

[Chandler]

lucifarianism (spelling?)

Luciferianism