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[Eratosthenes_2008]

I did apologise in another post, & to Ry on myspace.
Again , sorry for my actions & cussing. It was rude, & Immature. I'm a jackass / jacak ass* Yuki. please excuse my rudeness. I have no quarrel with the likes of you, or Ry.

I can't help the way I was raised, being my family are Jehovah's Wintness, ( I'm not, never was ) another Cult that the, whoever (" Illuminati ") what ever they go by now, & how many names they've had & changed over the years, created them (JW's) & the Mormon tabernacle as well. & all the denominational church system + other cults to keep people preoccupied in arguements, debate, & quarrels. So the attention to the real agenda's would be diverted. A destraction rather.
Remember they planned this out for years & years, not just some recent design. Maybe a week example of evidence, but still evidence none the less. Akhenaton, Adonai ( Aton ) -
Isis, one god in Egypt, Amen-Ra ( Sun god Ra ), & the Hebrew God El ( Elohim , or Elohem singular/plural) or in greek , Saturn -also Adonai - the rising of the Sun, the son of the morning, or son of the dawn. =

Is + Ra + El = Israel

The link was a good one, & you obviously failed to read, & do the research I have. It's explained in detail on that site. 16 saviors? video The Naked Truth. Also:

http://www.activistqueerfolk.com/

I went to church for years, & experienced what I did. Also what I've seen , & witnessed accounts of the supernatural as well.
The symbolism is there, like it or not. The Symbols of/from the zodiac as well. I studied astronomy, Mazzaroth, from biblical research also. Roman & Greek myth's.
No?! Now, don't jump to conclusions, & start to think I believe in the horroscope, or into astrology. & I'm going to ask what's your sign.

It was borrowed by judean Christianity as a further lie of the judaism spread of 12 tribes, 2 remaining tribes in Israel, one being Judah, & the other Benjamin.
I have my beliefs, yet, regretfully, take the fall for lack of proof.
Hebrew/ Phonecian / druidic (& the celts) adaptations from Egypt , that they brough with them. & helped to create Judaism. It's all in the sites I've listed. Being all the religions spread, & christianity only being ONE of them.

It feels good to be among fellow Conspiracy theorist, & to be called a moron. I guess I deserve that. I asked for it. Thank you. Moron I probalby do deserve to be banned for those comments I made. I look back at how stupid they are, & how stupid I am. I must need mental help. I am getting better though. Since I left Christ-insanity, & became an Agnostic, has been good therepy.

Karma, or You reap what you sow. (whatever)
Anyway -
btw, I'm not Christian. or not what I was anymore. That has changed, along with many of my former beliefs as well. I'll take my Bible knowledge to further use in Theology 101.
My search is for answers, the TRUTH , 9-11 exposure, & fighting NWO. Anti-NeoCons. It's well known the links to Bush & his admin. + Bush senior his dad, being members + Reagan being Mason. Clinton as well. Why is that ? & why is the Vatican shown & involved with/ in everything so much. Oh, it's just coincidence. Rrriight. OK. My bad, I'm just blind & " ignorant " of all this.
Also the stars above the eagle make a hexagram as well. On the right side, with a star in the middle. 13 stars. Sorry, I'm right. I didn't even scratch the surface.
But, yet atheist can believe we are shuffling universal matter, & just ooze. & then given an award for how smart they are. Call it science. Now that is just stupid.
& I've always stated just how unfair life is.

Zionist are involved & always been part of it. Whatever code name was Illuminati before & what it is under now. Whatever

Again, Yuki , I do apologise. I'm sorry for the insults, too. You know, hard day at work, bad day, bad mood, etc..? No, not an excuse though. Just a dumb american. It's Horus* not Horace. Like Jesus & Satan. Horus & Set (seth) 12,000 yrs. +, & centuries of spreading the story.

The eye of lucifer is from occult , it's in Anton LeVey's book also. The eye of God is the triangle with eye pointing downwards toward man, overlooking. The Triangle w/ eye pointing up is in defiance to God, challenging his power & authority. As Lucifer being the giver of " light & knowledge ". That is the teaching. I don't follow it. Free-masons are Luciferian. So are Jesuits. Aparently so are most Zionist. & the Christian ones, unknowingly are just stupid & ignorant. Many of them, still good people, but decieved & arrogant. Niave to what is really happening. Blinded by religion, or/& the " Just have faith, & believe what the Bible says. "

& I don't know what Ry has told you, but I'm not an Ickeite. I never mentioned Icke on this topic . You did. Ok, so I started the chain of insults, I apologise.
Moron ? What ? Who are you, Michael Savage ? I.c. you too have a nice attitude.
I believe in God , rather, a Creator, & I am pretty much Agnostic.

" PS: Eratosthenes, your complete ignorance of the etymological and historical roots of Christian words and concepts like the "Devil", "Satan" and "Lucifer" speaks volumes to all here about the validity of any argument you present concerning other spiritual disciplines and religions. Your naiivete is matched only by your blind conditioned dogmatism, my friend.

1776 That is a fact , monkey-butt. That is evidence. You don't want to see the symbolism, or believe in what the symboism means / represents ? Fine, that's you, & your choice. & your mistake.

That statement is retarded. & like you know me well enough to make such a statement. As to what I know of histroical roots of Christian words. FAR more then you think I do , I'm sure. But always up for imput, & insight. Elighten me , elightened one ? lol @ myself. excuse that crap.

(more embarrassing comments & bullshit statments go here)

All debate is healthy, I acted like a retard. You prob. think I am a retard.
I don't blame you.

Also, Ry ? I purchased 2 of your books on order at the local Barnes & not so Nobles. I'm giving a copy, sending rather, to an idiot, x-friend, christian zionist I know up farther north in Calif. His Jew friends will luv em.
I still wanted hard back instead of paper back, I hope to find one.

http://www.myspace.com/eratosthenes08

http://blog.myspace.com/eratosthenes08

Check out the Symbolism In Our Society videos. Subversive use of symbolism in the media*

( what used to be here, I'm an idiot )

[Eratosthenes_2008]

I forgot to mention an important point. I do know, & am fully aware that they used the whole ploy of the " Illuminati " to turn the attention away from the true coperates, the real adversaries. The Talmud Jews & Zionist. Of course. But , you know they had a backup plan, called The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion, to put blame on all jews, in case things back-fired. Went wrong, monkey wrench in the gears, & they had a plan b, etc.. To cover their ass. So it would be, blame the jews, & not the shadow government, of secret societies. & so on. This was all thought out , long before any of us/you, & they're for sure a lot more organized, & intelligent then any of you ever dream, & hope of being. <-- more stupididy & idiotic comments.

Thank you. I am making fun of myself now. How retarded I was. Crazy shit. Someone tell me what is wrong with me? I am open for ideas & suggestions.

You have to be, to murder millions of people , create wars, Rothchilds (illuminati/zionist) W.W. 1&2 - & kill over 80% of the Earth's population, which is still their agenda.

(more sarcasm)

[Ry]

The Rothchild family is Jewish.

[a2planet]

You would like a globalist/Illuminati organization that falls outside the realm of Zionism?

-The United Nations condemns Israeli terrorism almost on a routine basis. The United Nations is the forerunner of global government. You could say the U.N. is an irrelevant pundit of global geopolitics but then you have no explanation for all those U.N./NATO forces working with the U.S. in committing genocide in Yugoslavia or for the U.N. trade sanctions that killed a million Iraqi children in the 90's.

Of course the U.N. with its logo with its 33 sections and masonic wreath is a Brotherhood organization.

-The European Union constitution resembles the World Trade Organization charter, in that it asserts its complete superiority over law in all matters related to economy (read their constitution). Essentially the E.U. will take over Europe once the last ratifications are passed, just like the World Bank took over the Third World.

While the World Bank must be a Zionist org (Wolfowitz is the President) the European Union seems to have no position on Zionism.

Of course the Euro has masonic symbols on it. The two-Euro piece depicts the "rape of Europa" story, interestingly.

-Then there is CAFTA. It is more than just "NAFTA extended to Central America" it has sweeping globalist plans in it. It also has provisions that basically federal state economies in America.

CAFTA has no symbolism but then again it is only a document not an organization.



The Zionist agenda is a subset of the globalist agenda.

[Eratosthenes_2008]

Holy crap , I'm back. I wanted to add, btw, that the Illuminati created the U.N. after WW1&2 .

[Eratosthenes_2008]

PS: Eratosthenes, your complete ignorance of the etymological and historical roots of Christian words and concepts like the "Devil", "Satan" and "Lucifer" speaks volumes to all here about the validity of any argument you present concerning other spiritual disciplines and religions. Your naiivete is matched only by your blind conditioned dogmatism, my friend.


Fulcanelli my friend - You are/were right.

It speaks volumes huh? Well, "my naiivete is matched by my blind conditioned dogmatism ", is a thing of the past, friend. I know about the solar myths, & origin of scripture being based upon the zodiacs. If you look into Jordan Maxwell, as well as Michael Tsarion, & a few others, like Jim Marrs, you can see more of the little dimension you live in, concerning the NWO , & it's agenda's for more then just this world.

& to comment on the rest if the B.S. you posted. I will remain symbol minded, the symobolism is part of the evidence on account of your own ignorance my friend. I happen to agree with a lot of what you said. In most sense, the use of names like lucifer is simply like figure of speech, to show the orgins of the symbols meaning in different sects of cults & the different groups of certain occults. I don't believe in satan.

"There is NO evidence that they still exist beyond the claims made by organisations such as Skull and Bones that they continue their legacy. " Is full of shit, & a bunch of rubbish. 322.

Now,I have embarrassed myself enough, & made myself look like quite the idiot on previous post. It was good for conversation sake though. ty

[AlexKennedy]

Oh god...The Illuminati made the U.N.? Proof please.

The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is an admitted Hoax..its was not made by the "Illuminati"

When I used to Say the Illuminati I refured to

-CFR
-Bilderbergs
-Trilateral Commission
ect.

But the whole oto/satanic/mason has to quit.

Oh yeah want proof that the Barvarian Illuminati wasnt bad?

Read the documents by Adam Weishaupt.The english translated versions are on websites,not to hard to find.

All he wanted to do Was seperate Church from State,and spread Democracy.Dont tell me that the Illumniati are so evil if you never read any document by the REAL illuminati.Its kinda like people telling me terrorists did 9/11 and the government story is right without reading the 9/11 commission report.

Icke is crazy.End of Story

[Ry]

The illuminati did not make the UN.

You would like a globalist/Illuminati organization that falls outside the realm of Zionism?

-The United Nations condemns Israeli terrorism almost on a routine basis. The United Nations is the forerunner of global government. You could say the U.N. is an irrelevant pundit of global geopolitics but then you have no explanation for all those U.N./NATO forces working with the U.S. in committing genocide in Yugoslavia or for the U.N. trade sanctions that killed a million Iraqi children in the 90's.

Of course the U.N. with its logo with its 33 sections and masonic wreath is a Brotherhood organization.

-The European Union constitution resembles the World Trade Organization charter, in that it asserts its complete superiority over law in all matters related to economy (read their constitution). Essentially the E.U. will take over Europe once the last ratifications are passed, just like the World Bank took over the Third World.

While the World Bank must be a Zionist org (Wolfowitz is the President) the European Union seems to have no position on Zionism.

holy crap this is ignorant. first of all My theory contains zionism but I am not so silly or stupid and the blame just the such and suches. If you read my theory on 911 I said that Zionism is a cashcow for the MIC. The reason the UN backs the US in killing people is because the nuclear powers who run the UN each have their own MIC, but Americas overshadows them all. The UN has not done shit for Palestine but pass uninforced resolutions. What is has done is brought the hammer down on Hamas, the UN is Americas bitch they only serve to legitimize things when they agree with Americas bribes and threats, and they get utterly ignored when they dont case in point the war in Iraq. They have NO power over the zionists.

The wreath is not masonic it any more than it is christmas, the wreath's meaning goes back to the first republic is Greece and Rome. Olive leaves used to be currency. Read a history BOOK not an online video.

[RANGER]

As I see it,
We must all pull in one direction TOGETHER!
Please do not get sucked into infighting with each other, (this is what they want)

you KNOW, the enemy are the same ones that are
currently running washington d.c./pentagoon,
world polictics, world banking etc....

We DO have their names/addresses.
When the time comes, I think the military will step in and clean up the 2500 years of trash.

The main point is:
Let's all pull in one direction.
Stop the infighting, we have their names and address.

[Ry]

I dont think this in fighting is causing anyone to turn away and love the government. We are all still on the same side.

Why it is imporatant to stick to facts is so that we can expand the movement beyonf teenage internet hounds and reach rational people with money power and influence who can make more of a difference than thousands of us.

Plus its not really a fricking debte one side has evidence the other has videos made by Christian WASP who also believe in that dogma as well.
Its about as much asd a debate as creationism vs Evolution.