Holy Holocaust

[Gyps]

I always have mixed emotions about this subject. My mom, aunt, and gramma on one side of the family and my dad, uncle, and both grandparents on the other side were all in death camps in Germany and Austria. They were not Jewish, but Romany Gypsy and Ukrainian.

Anyway, my relatives and all their friends who were also there have always said the 6 million was a huge..no gigantic...exaggeration, that Jews were targeted no more and no less than anyone else who got in the way but from it managed to find clever ways to raise a ruckus and use that particular holocaust to the max in their propoganda machine, to the point where for many years a lot of shouting and educating had to be done to let the world know that many, many more people of all religions and nations died.

There was always and still is to this day a lot of resentment by some Jews against other, non-Jewish survivors, a lot of friction and even hatred, and I've often wondered why...perhaps because the others know the truth? The last of them are going now...of that age to be leaving us...soon all that will be left will be what's been written and repeated since.

But I will say that one thing all the survivors of the horror, both Jewish and non-Jewish, are telling us now, when they look around at what is going on in the world in shock and in horror, is that it's happening again. And we really ought to listen to them.

Death camps? Doesn't seem that way if they managed to live to give birth to you

i guess the camps had different classifications. the one that my dad was in was a work camp but death occurred there daily anyway. his had an underground munitions factory and they were bombed daily by the allied forces (this was near salzberg, austria). the last camp my mom and her sister and mom were in (they were in three, dachau first and bergen-belsen last) was a death camp. everyone who went there was slated for death. they got lucky because the americans came in time. near the end. the germans were bringing the people in by the trainload from other camps to step up the gassing and burning as the americans got closer. when they got really close, they fled, leaving piles of naked dead bodies all over the place, piles the kids, including my mother and my aunt played on, not realizing what they were. i have stories on tape and written down from my family and their friends. no pictures survived from them except one an american soldier took of my mom when she was sick. she was so thirsty, have had rheumatic fever not long before they came and almost dying of that, that she drank a bucket full of beer when they got there and her head swelled up to 10 times it's normal size. she almost died then again. i have no doubts in my mind that the holocaust happened. i do however doubt the numbers that are claimed.

[Ry]

War is evil there were no good guys in WWII

[Gyps]

War is evil there were no good guys in WWII

there are no good guys in war...it's true.

and for those who believe in a god, god isn't one one side or the other or both. god is not with you at all.

[Iconoclast]

I always have mixed emotions about this subject. My mom, aunt, and gramma on one side of the family and my dad, uncle, and both grandparents on the other side were all in death camps in Germany and Austria. They were not Jewish, but Romany Gypsy and Ukrainian.

Anyway, my relatives and all their friends who were also there have always said the 6 million was a huge..no gigantic...exaggeration, that Jews were targeted no more and no less than anyone else who got in the way but from it managed to find clever ways to raise a ruckus and use that particular holocaust to the max in their propoganda machine, to the point where for many years a lot of shouting and educating had to be done to let the world know that many, many more people of all religions and nations died.

There was always and still is to this day a lot of resentment by some Jews against other, non-Jewish survivors, a lot of friction and even hatred, and I've often wondered why...perhaps because the others know the truth? The last of them are going now...of that age to be leaving us...soon all that will be left will be what's been written and repeated since.

But I will say that one thing all the survivors of the horror, both Jewish and non-Jewish, are telling us now, when they look around at what is going on in the world in shock and in horror, is that it's happening again. And we really ought to listen to them.

Death camps? Doesn't seem that way if they managed to live to give birth to you

i guess the camps had different classifications. the one that my dad was in was a work camp but death occurred there daily anyway. his had an underground munitions factory and they were bombed daily by the allied forces (this was near salzberg, austria). the last camp my mom and her sister and mom were in (they were in three, dachau first and bergen-belsen last) was a death camp. everyone who went there was slated for death. they got lucky because the americans came in time. near the end. the germans were bringing the people in by the trainload from other camps to step up the gassing and burning as the americans got closer. when they got really close, they fled, leaving piles of naked dead bodies all over the place, piles the kids, including my mother and my aunt played on, not realizing what they were. i have stories on tape and written down from my family and their friends. no pictures survived from them except one an american soldier took of my mom when she was sick. she was so thirsty, have had rheumatic fever not long before they came and almost dying of that, that she drank a bucket full of beer when they got there and her head swelled up to 10 times it's normal size. she almost died then again. i have no doubts in my mind that the holocaust happened. i do however doubt the numbers that are claimed.

Daily deaths? Could that have anything to do with those allies bombing the munitions factory?

How would they know it was a death camp? Did somebody tell them?

We all know how honest the allies were.

And again, the lack of water and food was from the allies bombing supply runs.

Why were the Ukranian family members sent to the camps? I doubt it was because they were Ukranian.

[Iconoclast]

War is evil there were no good guys in WWII

Maybe the Western axis; they were up against both capitalism and communism. The holocaust is a lie. Everything you hear about them comes directly from Jewish sources or Sources brainwashed by the Jewish propaganda.



I don't like Japan's actions in WWII, though. Very dishonorable.

[Ry]

Japan murdered and raped thousands of Chinese and Koreans. Nazis in Europe did many of the same things to the Chezchs and the French who did it back later on.

The allies bombed Dresden and then Us companies sold their own equiptment to Europe to use to recontruct what they destroyed with US loans. They dropped Two nuclear bombs on Japanese cities killing new born babies and animals and people who had nothing to do with the war. The US also put Japanese Americans in concentration camps as they had done to American Indians just 30 years prior.

About the only country in that war fighting for real independence and defense not aggression was India.

[Gyps]

I always have mixed emotions about this subject. My mom, aunt, and gramma on one side of the family and my dad, uncle, and both grandparents on the other side were all in death camps in Germany and Austria. They were not Jewish, but Romany Gypsy and Ukrainian.

Anyway, my relatives and all their friends who were also there have always said the 6 million was a huge..no gigantic...exaggeration, that Jews were targeted no more and no less than anyone else who got in the way but from it managed to find clever ways to raise a ruckus and use that particular holocaust to the max in their propoganda machine, to the point where for many years a lot of shouting and educating had to be done to let the world know that many, many more people of all religions and nations died.

There was always and still is to this day a lot of resentment by some Jews against other, non-Jewish survivors, a lot of friction and even hatred, and I've often wondered why...perhaps because the others know the truth? The last of them are going now...of that age to be leaving us...soon all that will be left will be what's been written and repeated since.

But I will say that one thing all the survivors of the horror, both Jewish and non-Jewish, are telling us now, when they look around at what is going on in the world in shock and in horror, is that it's happening again. And we really ought to listen to them.

Death camps? Doesn't seem that way if they managed to live to give birth to you

i guess the camps had different classifications. the one that my dad was in was a work camp but death occurred there daily anyway. his had an underground munitions factory and they were bombed daily by the allied forces (this was near salzberg, austria). the last camp my mom and her sister and mom were in (they were in three, dachau first and bergen-belsen last) was a death camp. everyone who went there was slated for death. they got lucky because the americans came in time. near the end. the germans were bringing the people in by the trainload from other camps to step up the gassing and burning as the americans got closer. when they got really close, they fled, leaving piles of naked dead bodies all over the place, piles the kids, including my mother and my aunt played on, not realizing what they were. i have stories on tape and written down from my family and their friends. no pictures survived from them except one an american soldier took of my mom when she was sick. she was so thirsty, have had rheumatic fever not long before they came and almost dying of that, that she drank a bucket full of beer when they got there and her head swelled up to 10 times it's normal size. she almost died then again. i have no doubts in my mind that the holocaust happened. i do however doubt the numbers that are claimed.

Daily deaths? Could that have anything to do with those allies bombing the munitions factory?

How would they know it was a death camp? Did somebody tell them?

We all know how honest the allies were.

And again, the lack of water and food was from the allies bombing supply runs.

Why were the Ukranian family members sent to the camps? I doubt it was because they were Ukranian.

Yes, daily...from the bombing, from disease, and from starvation or beatings.

the death camps were i believe the ones equipped with constantly running crematoriums but i'd have to ask again as i don't remember, but it was common knowledge after a time which ones people were being sent to for execution.

as near as i can tell ukrainians were sent when they resisted or if someone wanted their land. in my families cases, the reasons pondered but never really known through the years were the ruby mine they owned, the farm, the fact that we had gypsy blood, the fact that my maternal grandmother's grandmother had a jewish surname, and the fact that my grandfather (maternal) was a constable of the town and was warning jews, hiding them, and arranging boat passage for them to france. he was on a run and was caught and taken away. they thought he was dead until i was 2 years old and they were in america for years, and he thought they were dead and met a polish woman, remarried, and had a son.

he was also tied to the calvalry (actually both my grandfathers were but in the cavelry but in different places...my parents met in NY after the war, and is that the right word for the guys on horses?) in the army during wwi, which they perceived as cossacks, whom they didn't like.

the germans came in and took over towns, rounded people up apparently without cause or reason, and escorted them to the station. trains were often bombed, so i'm sure many deaths resulted from that, as well as the bombing of the factory camps.

and i know what you mean about what we've been told, what the people who lived through it thought, and what was real. it's all sick no matter which way you slice it.

[Ry]

Why is it that Adolf Hilter is almost always seen as the greatest form of evil? Does it have anything to do with the propagation of the 6 million number, which appears to be totally bogus?

personally I have always thought of Henry Kissinger as the hight of evil and Stalin and almost every Pope close behind him.

as for the 12 million Native Americans killed that would only be the far less populated North America. Over the 300 period more like 50 million were killed also 44 million africans died in the slave trade and colonial wars. Both of which were done under the Christian flag and paternalism.

it is just sick how people can under a flag go risk there life to kill people they have never met and have no personal quarrles with.

[Iconoclast]

Yes, daily...from the bombing, from disease, and from starvation or beatings.

Most of which were from the allies. Bombing? Allies. Disease? The nazis actively tried to prevent this with delousing chambers, removal of clothing, and the shaving of hair. Starvation? ADllies. Beatings probably only occured to criminals or those who stepped out of line.

as near as i can tell ukrainians were sent when they resisted or if someone wanted their land.

Is this really true? If the whole purpose of invasion was expansion.

the germans came in and took over towns, rounded people up apparently without cause or reason, and escorted them to the station

I highly doubt it was done without reason. A town of Jews or Gypsies I can see this happening.

[gaia]

personally I have always thought of Henry Kissinger as the hight of evil and Stalin and almost every Pope close behind him.

as for the 12 million Native Americans killed that would only be the far less populated North America. Over the 300 period more like 50 million were killed also 44 million africans died in the slave trade and colonial wars. Both of which were done under the Christian flag and paternalism.

it is just sick how people can under a flag go risk there life to kill people they have never met and have no personal quarrles with.

It is my understanding that the central banking cartels which orchestrate most of the violence, bloodshed and hatred were originally founded by the Vatican. The Vatican is a fancy name for the mob; which is the real ruling party.

The following lecture, done by Jordan Maxwell, explains all of this and many other things of interest in great detail.

http://www.archive.org/details/InnerWorldOfTheOccult