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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ry » Fri Dec 31, 2010 9:49 pm

nah Cammy because I keep expanding everyday ill let it get up to 10 minutes or so before I do that again.
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Post by Ry » Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:11 am

http://www.myspace.com/video/rid/109385224

I think it is much improved

dont upload this anywhere. I just want suggests and comments on it. This is the first 20 of war by deception 2011 due out March 20 on the anniversary of the war.

I removed 9 mins on the statute toppling and add a lot more about Iran contra and re did all the audio and pictures.
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ed » Thu Jan 06, 2011 2:59 pm

Hey Ry, I think it is much improved. There is so much information to cover and it is very difficult to break it down and simplify it without dumbing it down. However, I think you did well to improve quality of the visuals, it definitely makes it easier to absorb. Also liked how you added a few little clips like the continuity of government clip, is relevant and again helps absorb it easier.

I found one spelling mistake though! Around 4:40. It's Duane Clarridge, not Carridge. :nerd: minor i know, i doubt anyone else noticed.
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ry » Thu Jan 06, 2011 8:20 pm

forgot the L must be in Japan too long. Hey it's minor but its important, that's why I put it out secretly like this so I can go fix it right away. Thanks for spotting it. easy fix
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by panax » Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:47 am

Hi Ry, I watched the sample of the new version. Really good.
I can't fault the presentation of the information at all, but I do have a couple of editing suggestions.

Start with the panel: "The people presented in this film...."

Then have the anti-Neocons logo, i.e. "Presented by...."

This video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iczqNZnspb0 is a much higher quality version of the opening clip that you use. Doesn't have all the distorted picture and sound artefacts.

And there's quite a shift in quality between the old text panels and the new ones you've added. Maybe just re-type the old panels against a black background, too? Right now the old ones are against a dark grey background with quite pixelated text.

And maybe a more updated title screen for the film "War by Deception".

I know the information you're presenting is far more important than the points I've made, but I think cleaning the editing would better reflect the professional content of the film. I've done video editing before and if you wanted any help I'd be happy to lend a hand.

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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ry » Sat Jan 08, 2011 2:40 am

Panax I agree, I actually have an extra 40 minutes of film done now making it an hour total re-done. I do need to re do the text again. and if I can match it to the mili second ill try using that clip of the opening. The problem with editing the beginning is it moves the sound and all off for the rest of the film so I have to get it exactly. Maybe I can make the "people present.." text as a bmp picture of text and see how that works. If you know how to kind of fade that with the anti-neocons label or can make a nice war by deception graphic, ill use it. best to make it too long or exact the same time frame so I can cut it, i can't stretch it.

it be nice for someone else to do even a litle thing like that. I am editing the second hour now and its pain staking. I decided to move 911 to the middle of the film, then to anthrax and PNAC/wars it just like chronology then. And ill do the media last with my wrapup on the MIC to close it.

I cut the saddam statue part, I am going to cut the wolf blizter thing too, and shorten other sections. But I am adding more on the 911 commission and more on the missing money and how bombs were placed int he building. I cut the rant on the kooks too. I am replacing that time to talk about how the lobby was blow up and how nanno thermite doesn't toss people into the air or knock over freights or blow off panels, bombs and truck bombs do that. That doesn't mean there wasn't any thermite used as cutters, but its wrong to focus on that and ignore the massive explosions especially after catching the israelis in vans full of bombs and how that is how they tried to do it in 1993.

I probably ought to do a short extra on the 1993 bombing. And I need more on the flight schools, the so called broken elevators in the west side of the towers, that had crews working on it for 5 weeks, the same time line that silverstein and lowy took out insurance.. there is so much to go over, I can't do all of it in a clean narrative way. So what I am gonna do is finish this core 2 hour and change core chunk and then go over it again with dvd extras which I will just link right under it by title that way I can go over each flicht, the stolen passports the flight school connection to iran contra drug running, the pentagon can of worms.

the question I have for you guys is this. I was thinking the P the PNAC section is kind of long and boring (not to me but to most people) so I wasn't sure if I should leave it in or leave part of it in and do a quick race through just stating the titles of all the bomb iraq papers, and tell people to read it themselves or click on link for longer version where I read it to them and explain connections. See the problem is I know 90% of them won't read it for themselves and they will go on quoting only the new pearl harbor phrase from one document like jones town repeaters and ignoring all the rest of it which is so much deeper. So should I keep PNAC in there maybe near the back, or shorten it and give the option to watch the longer version maybe from the old film and eventually a re-done one.

The difficult thing is the parts on grossman trading weapons the aid to turkey and israel and the sibel case, plame affair ect is all in there after the pnac stuff so i'd have to make a new segue. what do you guys think is best?
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ry » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:02 am

ok i edited the opening with 911 anthrax and war i left what really happened because it looked good. So later ill see if i can use a better clip of the plane hitting the wtc
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by panax » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:08 am

Ry wrote:Panax I agree, I actually have an extra 40 minutes of film done now making it an hour total re-done. I do need to re do the text again. and if I can match it to the mili second ill try using that clip of the opening. The problem with editing the beginning is it moves the sound and all off for the rest of the film so I have to get it exactly. Maybe I can make the "people present.." text as a bmp picture of text and see how that works. If you know how to kind of fade that with the anti-neocons label or can make a nice war by deception graphic, ill use it. best to make it too long or exact the same time frame so I can cut it, i can't stretch it.
I'll get it to you in a couple of days.

Do you have a higher res version of the anti-neocons logo that you can send me?

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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by Ry » Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:53 am

I don't I just have the logo from this site and the flying flag gif.

Another question I have do yall think I should re-do the talking parts and wear a tie and stuff? or leave it was T-shirt same as my youtube stuff.
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Re: WAR BY DECEPTION Full Video!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Post by panax » Sat Jan 08, 2011 12:00 pm

Ry wrote:I don't I just have the logo from this site and the flying flag gif.

Another question I have do yall think I should re-do the talking parts and wear a tie and stuff? or leave it was T-shirt same as my youtube stuff.

Ok no big deal with the logo. I'll find a way to enlarge it and keep it clean.

I think it would be a good idea to look presentable in a tie and have a solid backdrop behind you.

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