Trayvon Brutally Beat and Broke the Nose of the Neighborhood

[Axe Kick]

You may post it 10 times because it doesn't change the fact that there was probable cause. It also doesn't change the fact that this case defies standard practises by police forces or common sense.

There was probably cause to a crime, in your opinion, without all the facts. I disagree with your opinion based on the facts we have, it's that simple.

[Phys]

I disagree with your opinion based on the facts we have, it's that simple.

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[Ry]

I just can't make fun of a 17 year old that was murdered

[Phys]

Yeah, my son is 17yrs old and he is still my baby.

What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/v ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My comments:

“Stand Your Ground” is not a free pass to shoot. Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, Crimes Section 776.041 — Use of force by aggressor: “The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who… (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant…”

Trayvon had no marks on his hands. Zimmerman had no visible blood on his face or clothes which is odd because the head has tons of blood vessels. http://download.videohelp.com/vitualis/med/bloodh-n.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Have you ever cut yourself shaving or had a minor cut to your face or head? or had a bloody nose? The injuries Zimmerman described were more than shaving or a minor cut. They were supposedly near life threatening and still not one bandage 30mins after the supposed life threatening event. We also know that Zimmerman has anger issues and a criminal record. Trayvon is just some punk teenage like many guys his age and many adults too but that doesn't make him a criminal.

[Ry]

mark it on the calendar because I agree with phys on that.

[Axe Kick]

Yeah, my son is 17yrs old and he is still my baby.

What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/v ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My comments:

“Stand Your Ground” is not a free pass to shoot. Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, Crimes Section 776.041 — Use of force by aggressor: “The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who… (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant…”

Trayvon had no marks on his hands. Zimmerman had no visible blood on his face or clothes which is odd because the head has tons of blood vessels. http://download.videohelp.com/vitualis/med/bloodh-n.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Have you ever cut yourself shaving or had a minor cut to your face or head? or had a bloody nose? The injuries Zimmerman described were more than shaving or a minor cut. They were supposedly near life threatening and still not one bandage 30mins after the supposed life threatening event. We also know that Zimmerman has anger issues and a criminal record. Trayvon is just some punk teenage like many guys his age and many adults too but that doesn't make him a criminal.

I'm sorry, it's laughable that you think someone getting the back of their head smashed to the ground isn't serious. Could get some serious brain damage that way. And what about Trayvon going for Zimmerman's gun? Should Zimmerman have just let Trayvon take his gun and hope he doesn't use it on him?

And Zimmerman didn't provoke the use of force, because Trayvon CAME BACK to get a piece of him, that's Trayvon's fault, he should have went home.

[Phys]

Axe this is a straw man.
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

And that's exactly what you are doing. You didn't address anything I said:

Yeah, my son is 17yrs old and he is still my baby.

What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/v ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My comments:

“Stand Your Ground” is not a free pass to shoot. Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, Crimes Section 776.041 — Use of force by aggressor: “The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who… (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant…”

Trayvon had no marks on his hands. Zimmerman had no visible blood on his face or clothes which is odd because the head has tons of blood vessels. http://download.videohelp.com/vitualis/med/bloodh-n.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Have you ever cut yourself shaving or had a minor cut to your face or head? or had a bloody nose? The injuries Zimmerman described were more than shaving or a minor cut. They were supposedly near life threatening and still not one bandage 30mins after the supposed life threatening event. We also know that Zimmerman has anger issues and a criminal record. Trayvon is just some punk teenage like many guys his age and many adults too but that doesn't make him a criminal.

You just started telling me about some speculations and that I thought it was laughable if someone had potentially had a brain injury which is total BS. My son got a concussion during spring break a few weeks ago in CO while snowboarding and I was in TX. Believe me, I was completely freaked out. However, he doesn't even know anything about that day even though he had a cat scan, tons of finger pricks to check glucose levels, and bruised up arms due to 3 attempts at an IV because he was fighting them. Concussions are serious and require medical treatment.

The lead investigator doesn't even believe Zimmerman and he had more facts than you.

[Ry]

there is no evidence but zimmerman's word that he was in a fight for his life. And the witnesses that did see then only saw pussy face on the ground the guy half his size that took him down had alreadygotten off of him when pusy face decided to shoot him.

[Axe Kick]

Axe this is a straw man.
A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position.[1] To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet un-equivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position

And that's exactly what you are doing. You didn't address anything I said:

Yeah, my son is 17yrs old and he is still my baby.

What is known, what isn’t about Trayvon Martin’s death
Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/31/v ... rylink=cpy" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

My comments:

“Stand Your Ground” is not a free pass to shoot. Florida Statutes, Title XLVI, Crimes Section 776.041 — Use of force by aggressor: “The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who… (2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless: (a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant…”

Trayvon had no marks on his hands. Zimmerman had no visible blood on his face or clothes which is odd because the head has tons of blood vessels. http://download.videohelp.com/vitualis/med/bloodh-n.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; Have you ever cut yourself shaving or had a minor cut to your face or head? or had a bloody nose? The injuries Zimmerman described were more than shaving or a minor cut. They were supposedly near life threatening and still not one bandage 30mins after the supposed life threatening event. We also know that Zimmerman has anger issues and a criminal record. Trayvon is just some punk teenage like many guys his age and many adults too but that doesn't make him a criminal.

You just started telling me about some speculations and that I thought it was laughable if someone had potentially had a brain injury which is total BS. My son got a concussion during spring break a few weeks ago in CO while snowboarding and I was in TX. Believe me, I was completely freaked out. However, he doesn't even know anything about that day even though he had a cat scan, tons of finger pricks to check glucose levels, and bruised up arms due to 3 attempts at an IV because he was fighting them. Concussions are serious and require medical treatment.

The lead investigator doesn't even believe Zimmerman and he had more facts than you.

And now your lying about what I said. I never said he HAD brain injuries, I said if he kept getting the back of his head smashed into the ground he may well have had brain injuries.

The police say he (Zimmerman) had injuries, the family says medical records will back those up. The tape shows a big gash to the back of his head. We have a witness saying the next day he had injuries. Face it, Zimmerman had injuries, trying to deny that based on a grainy video (there is a better quality one now which clearly shows the gash) is again, laughable.

And regarding Trayvon having no injuries, if he never got hit, what injuries do you expect him to have? If I punch someone, and then slam the back of his head against the ground with my hands on the side or top of his head, what injuries should I be showing?

And regarding your comment about the lead investigator, Chris Serino, you might want to read this

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/201 ... ral-agency" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."