Black Water and Amway, Christian nuts have private armies.

[Phys]

Hmm...I wouldnt doubt it. Those x-tain nuts are a bunch of sicko's.

[GamerS]

Ry, With the Foley incident and some of AJ's rants on the subject, I am forced to wonder, are some of the people in our government actually sickos on top of being sociopathic profiteers? Is it more than we think? What information have you come across. All I know is what I mentioned here.

[sangre_de_soldado]

Ry, With the Foley incident and some of AJ's rants on the subject, I am forced to wonder, are some of the people in our government actually sickos on top of being sociopathic profiteers? Is it more than we think? What information have you come across. All I know is what I mentioned here.

These people eventually become sick. Physical corruption seems to lead to mental and spiritual corruption from what I've seen.

[cassanovafrankenstein]

I don't have a prob w/anything Ry said except the rapist part for LeTourneau. She got a raw deal. I don't see anything wrong with what she did. It was normal up until recently and still is in some places for a 14 yr old boy to marry. I don't see how a 14 yr old boy is harmed by having sex with a woman in her 20's. I don't think the same is true of same sex or for a girl of 14 with a man in his 20's.
They were by all evidence genuinely in love.
They got married and he was a dedicated father.
A woman can't "rape" a man (or post-pubescent boy).
Marie Antoinette married King Louis when she was 14 and he was 12.

[Phys]

I don't have a prob w/anything Ry said except the rapist part for LeTourneau. She got a raw deal. I don't see anything wrong with what she did. It was normal up until recently and still is in some places for a 14 yr old boy to marry. I don't see how a 14 yr old boy is harmed by having sex with a woman in her 20's. I don't think the same is true of same sex or for a girl of 14 with a man in his 20's.
They were by all evidence genuinely in love.
They got married and he was a dedicated father.
A woman can't "rape" a man (or post-pubescent boy).
Marie Antoinette married King Louis when she was 14 and he was 12.

Its about control and manipulation not just the act of sex.

[Phys]

Edit: that is why it is still bad and defined as rape in my book.

[Ry]

Are you fucking kidding me? she got knocked up by a 13 year old kid who was her student. 13 years OLD!!

Yes a woman can rape a man. I could seduce anyone that age. You dont have to physically over power someone to have statitory rape. Her father was busted moolesting a baby and so was her brother so I think we know why she got pregnant from a 6th grader. If you are you dont see anything morally wrong with that, it is breaking cultural mores but if you think its OK just because along time ago lots of people did it (they also had 1 in six girls die in child birth) it is still totally ILLEGAL.

You know saying a long time ago it was normal to do X does not mean it is right or just relative. A long time ago people bought and sold other people. They had arranged marraiges and if a girls husband died she would be married to his brother.

There a such thing as right and wrong or good and better. YOu know not so long ago they used to deliver babies without washing their hands and as a result it passed bacteria to many women and killed them. But hey is was NATURAL to not use soap.

I cant stand this hippy natures way bullshit arguement or the well so and so in this country at this date did this thing bla bla bla so anything is OK so long as a group of people do it somewhere.

Look at the goals and you can determine what is RIGHT regardless of culture based on the success rate. You know if one group navigates assuming the earth is in the middle of the solar system, they are just WRONG. If a group of people burn off the left over ambiliccord on infants because they think it is healthy and wards off evil spirits yet mean babies die or get sick from the smoke yet the cultures own stated goal is HEALTH then their cultural practice is WRONG. It is not a matter of well thats what they believe, guess what some beliefs no matter how many people follow them can be simply wrong and not matching reality.

Making a 13 year old kid a father or mother in today's society which bases 90% of its basic need around earning an income and 90% of that on being an adult with some ind of skill/trade having a baby at that age is terrible and fucking children is wrong all by itself.

I will get this natures way argument about "natural drugs" it does not mean something is OK just because it is natural. First of all smoking anything is un-natural. Secondly meany natural things can harm/kill you. Poison for one. Eating sand or poop is techniquely natiral too but it does not mean it is healthy. Psychodelic mushroons and weed etc they all fuck up your brain period now maybe you are OK with that or you get mental benefits that out weight the physical detriment then that is fine but to deny that it kills your brain cell and a number of other prove side effects is just stupid.

Cultural relativism has got to die. People dont know how to decern the different between the subjective and objective hell they want to claim their is no objective. Some things are cultural taste or values like flicking the middle finger is rude or it could mean hellow whatever. Thats because it is arbitrary to begin with. But MANY things claims as culturally-protected are not matters of the subjective. The Christians who let snakes bite them and then they get sick are IDIOTS and it is OK to call an idiot an idiot. But man we have a culture of pansies who fear making a judgment on anything other than making judgements. Judging that no one should judge is a judgement.

[NoApartheid]

I'm really grateful for this woman......


Jeana Palfrey prepares to bring down Washington


http://rawstory.com/news/2007/DC_Madam_ ... _0430.html

Hehehe stick it to 'em Palfrey, and force this ignorant congress to IMPEACH the bastards while you're at it!!!!! This will show just what kind of foreign scum from Turkey and elsewhere blackmails our congress using sex rings. Sex is not the issue. Blackmail is, and doing illegal actions even with underaged kids to support blackmail.


Former CIA Agent Richard Barlow confirms everything we have said and says the Romanist Cabal of Zionists/Protestants run by CHENEY is the most serious threat to national security in the world

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/They_sold ... _0426.html

BECAUSE OF THEIR BLACKMAIL, WE SOLD NUKES TO PAKISTAN AND LOST THE NUCLEAR ARMS RACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Pakistan and Israel actually has more NUKES than us now thanks to CHENEY, and they would wipe us out in a two on one firefight. All three countries would be destroyed isn't that right Ry this is sick

[cassanovafrankenstein]

Nope Ry, i'm not kidding you. I'm not practicing moral relativism, I'm not withholding judgement from anybody or anything. I'm also not basing my position soley on the fact that for 1000's of yrs it was normal.
(BTW, smoking weed and doing mushrooms don't kill brain cells and don't "mess up your head" beyond getting you temporarily high, it's stupid to assume these myths are true without relying on both science and observation of actual cases.)
So he was 13 and got her preggers, so what? Either it's wrong because you think it's morally reprehensible or because a baby needs a bread earner. Which is it?
It's not immoral, essplain how. A 13 yr old boy is fucking anyway, how is his head gonna be fucked up by screwing an experienced and to all appearances loving woman? Manipulation? What sex ever took place without one party manipulating the other, or both simultaneously? What relationship ever existed without one half being more in love than the other? But they must've loved each other, it ain't impossible ya know.
A baby don't cost NEAR what society tells us it does to raise, it's bullshit. She was teacher, they make 40K a yr to start, that's more than twice what I've ever made in my life. And a 14 yr old kid can work if he leaves school, I worked when I was 14. She also had good bennies with medical. But they had to pass bullshit judgement on her and take away her job and freedom---real fucking bright---it's like taking the driver license away from fathers that don't keep up child support, they do that in Florida--dumbest law ever enacted.
Someone will have to essplain to me how a 14 yr old young man is gonna be mentally scarred by having sex with a woman, cuz I gotta tell ya, having growd up as a male and doing all the things that a normal male does growing up, I can't see it.

[Ry]

moral relativist. ok buddy go rape your sheep. how is this. I think a grown woman sleeping with children is wrong and you dont. You are OK with pedophilia. How is this for your moral relative ass. You're banned. Dont worry it is not wrong for me to ban you because you see censorship has always been around therefore it is OK. Because nothing is wrong only relative. So since to me I am ok with banning people who believe there is nothing wrong with adults fucking 13 year olds you can't even be upset. Ill be sure to tell EVERYONE about your beliefs as well. Are you going to sleep with a 13 year old boy or girl as long as they like you (and have a child with them)? You think that is OK?!

"But they had to pass bullshit judgement on her and take away her job and freedom---real fucking bright---it's like taking the driver license away from fathers that don't keep up child support, they do that in Florida--dumbest law ever enacted.
"

-why is the judgment bullshit? are you JUDGING the judgement?

Classic case of an over socialized liberal piece of shit.
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yeah, Ministry knew what he was saying when he sang the lyric "M-16's for jesus christ".

i'm actually a member of amway. i joined it when i was 21, seven years ago. i am an inactive member. one of "the failures". i never did anything with it money-wise but i did spend a lot of time with dozens of rich, white christian bigots. they had meetings and got each other all pumped up with their speeches and demos on eraserboards and always listened to those "motivational" cassette tapes in their cars. they loved selling those tapes and you're right, quickstar emerged after scamway and they're basically the same damn thing anymore. run by the same people.

i saw a video not too long ago about the mercinary groups that exist, and operate in iraq. It was called "Iraq: The Death Squads" and guess what, it's not online anymore that I can find (dead links that i have and unable to be found again). I have a copy on my hard drive, AVI format, 500 megs so there's no way i'll be able to upload that. (still searching right now, determined to find it, lol)

here's part one, 10 minutes, intro basically:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZBOj__fMxc

anyways good post ry, i found it most enlightening. wish i had more to contribute but uploading that 500 megabyte AVI video is out of the question unless i could get a video uploader that would let me pause and resume and do it in chunks.

My Uncle is Terry Taylor you probably have his speeches on your tapes. Amway and quikstar are pyramid scams. It is like a say about the lottery, it is a tax on people who can't do math.