It's Not Israel. It's the Americans says Norman Finkelstein

[Sayanim]

Last February (8th, 2007) on KPFK radio station, there was a kind of a debate between "professor" Norman Finkelstein and professor James Petras.

Professor James Petras wrote books about zionist power in USA, such as :

_ Rulers and Ruled in the US Empire: Bankers, Zionists and Militants. (July 16, 2007)

_ The Power of Israel in the United States.(2006)

I don't need to introduce Norman Finkelstein since most of you are already infatuated with him for being an "anti-zionist jew" (how moving ...cough,cough...).

Anyway, during the debate - which the biatch radio host from india was giving 7 mns to Finkelstein to peddle his zionist confuse-the-goy talk and 30 seconds to James Petras to reply - Finkelstein said that Israel has nothing to do with Iraq and Iran. He said it was the americans who are on a quest to conquer the world and steal oil and that they are using poor Israel as a stick to scare the a-rabs.

Finkelstein said that there is absolutely no proof whatsoever that zionist power is behing the war in Iraq, nor the war-drum-beating to nuke Iran.

When James Petras replied that "The Pentagon is like an Israeli Bordello" and was ready to lay the proofs from here to Tombuctú , Finkelstein replied "that's crap" and the interviewer interrupted the whole thing.

Check it out (MP3 : right click, save target as...): Finkelstein : "Israel has nothing to do with Iraq". James Petras : "The Pentagon is like an Israeli Bordello"

(source)

I brought this audio up on the table because we all have been weeping for Norman Finkelstein as he was denied tenure and prohibited from sharing his knowledge with the eager students of his classes.

Maybe it's time to re-evaluate your favorite "anti-zionist jew". THIS webpage is also skeptical of the wanna-be-martyr Finkelstein.

I already addressed the case of Noam Chomsky and Greg Palast in this post :

DN is a prime example of a left gatekeeper. Goodman refused to even talk about 911 for years. Her book "exception to the rulers" is below average, unless you don´t know anything about East Timor or Nigeria. and it has a quote by professional con artist Michael Moore on the front and professional liar Noam Chomsky on the back.

You said it very well. It is refreshing to notice individuals that don't fall for the tricks played by the gatekeepers.

Actually one has just to see the credits at the end of Amy's televised show (who is financing her) to see how much of a gatekeeper she can only be.

Add her to GREG PALAST (1)(2)(3) and MICHAEL MOORE (1) and NOAM CHOMSKY (1)(2) kind of crowd.

As for those who are "in love" with Amy Goodman (and Noam Chomsky...etc), those are usually either very naive, ill-informed or they are usually arabs/palestinians/muslims who so much are craving for a word or two of compassion that they immediately fall for the trick. They are just like a lonely acne-ridden teenager boy who falls in love with every girl who asks him about the time or road directions.

And YES, I have bettered myself and my language. Under any circumstances, I will not say that usually it is the sand-niggaz who are trying to convince themselves that they are "intellectual sand-niggaz" who fall in love with Noam Chomsky, Amy Goodman and their likes. (they are often on al Poodle TV station, sorry I meant al Jazeera TV station, doing some emotion and information management for the zionists : "Bush said this, Cheyney said that...etc").

Happy Ramadan.

[NOTALOWBROW]

I heard this and it SUCKS. :sigh:

[Chow Chee Bai Superbitch]

I still love Finkelstein, and quite frankly i dont really care if he disagrees with Walt and Mearsheimer, i still admire him and he's done much more to expose Israel then anyone has even though i think he's wrong on this one.

I just hope he doesnt start holding back his arguments to pander to the Zionwackjobs after that whole mess with his tenure and all.

[Ry]

Fink is right it was the Americans. Zionist Jewish Americans who identify themselves with Israel who took us to war. But he is dead wrong fro saying the lobby had nothing to do with it. It was the lobby who was spying on the US to learn what we knew and didn't know so that they could lie to us and it was the lobby's now convicted spy who went with Ledeen to forge documents about Niger which is what started the war.

Gate-keeper or just an idiot I can't decide.

in 2005 on a show I was on right after him, he said there was no real difference between the US and Israel and that is how closely they worked together on these wars. Strange how his opinion suddenly changed after losing his job. Guess he wants a new job.

[Irie Dave]

Typical gatekeeper: gives you some truth then moves you in the wrong direction

[ect]

Fink is right it was the Americans. Zionist Jewish Americans who identify themselves with Israel who took us to war.

Zionist Jewish American...Neoconservatives?

that's a mouthful. heheh

Is that like "War for oil".....sentences never seem to get completed.

Anyhoo, the importance of his intellectual dishonesty has never tickled me enough to care wether he gets canned or not.

In the interview from a week ago, "he's ready to keep working".

I bet...the liberal post-zionist narrative industry is a good sell on campus...$$Cha-ching$$

Is the Left’s New Motto “Free Sacco and F—k Vanzetti”?

Norman Finkelstein dishonors himself and his elegant reputation by leaving Mehrene Larudee behind to fend for herself. I don’t know how Larudee feels about it but if I went out on a limb to defend someone and he made a deal that left me hanging, I might regret that I had supported him in the first place.

We dishonor ourselves and everything we believe in if we leave Larudee behind to fend for herself. DePaul can abuse Mehrene Larudee indefinitely because she is not protected by a big reputation. Sooner or later, the best of us—the ones who have the courage to stand up for what is right—will end up in Larudee’s position. If we abandon her, we say to anyone dumb enough to defend us. “Don’t expect us to have your back when the scat hits the fan.” Mehrene Larudee deserves the support of all of us, including Norman Finkelstein. If we abandon her, we abandon ourselves.

[Ry]

well i never listened to him. I believe what I do because of the facts and I could careless who all agrees with me. If some anti-war anti-zionist speaker suddenly does a 180 then it is there problem because the things they said never had any effect on me anyway. I believe what I do because it is true. [based on my own knowledge.]

[ect]

You should see if you can get Walt and/or Mearsheimer to review your book.

[Irie Dave]

You should see if you can get Walt and/or Mearsheimer to review your book.

Or just get them to read it since they're both 9/11 truth deniers I believe. Their biggest accomplishment is getting the information about the lobby into the mainstream. But to do that you have to sacrifice some truth & not be honest about everything. Anyone laying out the facts about Mossad's full involvement in 9/11, etc. as well as their information about the lobby would not get the kind of attention they get. Sad but true.

[NOTALOWBROW]

It's important to put the blame on our own country. It IS America's fault, not Israel's. Israel wouldn't even exist without America and American's tax and church money. The Palestinian Holocaust would not be happening if it weren't for OUR tax money. We are funding the atrocity, whether we like it or not. The American Neocons, whether they are Jewish or not, don't give a rat's ass about Palestine AKA Israel. The "Holy Land" is the sacrifice; they are going to allow it to be wiped off the map to fulfill their agenda. Then America will be the "promised land" that was given to the Jews (and in ZIonist Christian ideology also give to fundie Christians by "God" (God Bless America)) It will be the United States of Israel with nothing left of the middle east but the nuclear "cleansed" oil fields.

This can't work out as they envision because the reality is the DU dust is going to do us all in. There can be no "winner" in this unjust war against humanity. We all lose if they continue fucking things up like this.

I still like Fink as well.