Henry Ford's "The International Jew"

[Xed]

And I have to disagree that hating Muslims has to do with their religion. It has more to do with "Arabs" than "Muslims" and it's because, by and large, they are not a visible part of red-state America and ignorant humans generally hate(fear) that which they are not familiar with.

My $0.02

my friend whos a convert to islam and gets racist middle eastern/asian comments towards her and shes white ! but she does wear a headscarf so then maybe it is because she is a muslim!

there is no doubt in my mind that racism is on the rise in the uk towards middle easterm/asian people!

i was attacked last month in a public park infront of loadsa people, some bloke just jumped on me out of nowhere and took a knife put it to my neck n to threaten to cut me because of the colour of my skin!

soon as ive done my course im out the country!!

Where do you live? What country?

Essex in uk! and nottingham for uni!

[Bender]

Jews have been hated for centuries if not thousands of years.

When I hear or read that particular sentence (read at quite often) I always ask myself, why?

[NOTALOWBROW]

Jews have been hated for centuries if not thousands of years.

When I hear or read that particular sentence (read at quite often) I always ask myself, why?

I always ask myself that question as well. Being the "other" - or the minority - has always been pretty tough. People have a tendency toward bigotry and always have. And in all fairness, Jews are not innocent of prejudice against "Gentiles" since their beginning either. (gentiles usually being Arabs of course) There is a vast history of Gentile-hatred from Jews, and plenty of proof of it as well. I should have said "Jews have been hated - and have practiced hate - for centuries if not thousands of years".

Religious supremacy is a bad thing, and the whole "Chosen People" BS, which obviously came with major judgment of gentiles (who are not "chosen") hasn't helped matters any.

We are dealing with really deep cultural wounds and blind spots. There is so much accumulated dis-ease around this issue that it's easy to see how corruption (infection) has set in. The cultural poisoning needs to be drawn out and exposed to the light - or it can never heal and will likely kill us all off.

[Corey Michael]

Jews have been hated for centuries if not thousands of years. Political Zionism (PZ) didn't create hatred and prejudice against Jews. That hatred had to already be in place for political Zionism to take off. PZ couldn't exist without hatred for Jews; Jews are the perfect vulnerable "victim" that can used as both justification for waging injustice and scapegoats when the shit finally hits the fan.

Political Zionism was, at its roots, based on a literalist (fundamentalist) interpretation of the biblical Zionism. This didn't agree with MOST Jews at that time (when PZ was getting started). Most Jews were not (and still aren't) Fundamentalists in their faith, and they didn't believe Israel was intended to be a physical nation with borders (until being scared to death into believing this).

Political Zionism, like all fundamentalist religious cults or movements, was born from hatred and distrust, not love or compassion. This hatred, distrust and lack of compassion has grown into a monster as it has merged with other corrupt governments to create the Fascist Neocons. It was only a matter of time before the corruption led here, to the Neocon State that we find ourselves up against. This is the natural end of unjust means.

Most people who hate Jews probably just hate Jews, not Political Zionism. And these same idiots probably also hate black people, asians and whoever else they view as "other." This is why speaking out against the policies of Israel will get you labeled a racist. It's also how Jew hatred makes PZ the perfect cover for criminals. It works to their advantage that ignorant people believe that Jews are guilty by association. The PZ warlords count on all this to keep the fear and hatred (necessary for them to endure) going strong. Corruption attracts and encourages opportunists to use anything they must to get their way.

Ford was an uninformed idiot, who believed the disinfo and propaganda, just like most people I know.

Whether you believe that Jews are an ethnicity or not, there most certainly IS a Jewish Experience - a cultural collective experience. This to me makes being Jewish more about cultural heritage and even ethnicity than religion. There is a Jewish culture separate from religion, and it's the best part about the Jewish Experience imo. This discussion reminds me of discussions clueless white people have about black people. It is all too apparent when a person hasn't yet walked in another's shoes. Before you do, you will speak of the "other" as an object you don't understand - and, at least to those who know better, you will sound like a bigot - even if you aren't consciously feeling like one.

Just my 2 cents

I think this 2 cents has the most value, thus far. To an extent, I agree with what Thunk said. I was reading Muhammed's reply and wondering if you even read what I said. If you did, it went right over your head. You seem to want to think Ford was a racist who simply hated Jews. I disagree. Although it was racist of him to label them as International "Jews," his criticism, from what little I have read thus far, was about their financial control. I am simply saying he should have been more precise in coming up with a general term for those of which he was criticizing. Again, I haven't read all of the series. So, maybe he was a blatant racist, but from what I have read thus far, criticism of a group of people who have monopolized control on the world's financial markets needs to be more accurately defined, because the religion or even the race of Jewishness, is not the whole story and leads to an easy defense by those who are being legitimately criticized. Get it?

I guess my point is, people are so damn obsessed with religion or even race that they are quick to pin the blame on one or the other, when in this case, it is a group of international bankers, not jews.

[Ian]

Lemme just say this to Grace:


YOU ROCK! That's exactly what I wished I could have said, haha.

[Truth4Youth]

I haven't read all of the posts in this thread yet, but here's my two-sense, particularly concerning bankers:

The bankers may be "Jewish", but there goals transcend religious, moral, social, and political belief systems. These people want you to focus on these topics like abortion and gay marriage, and whether or not it's the Jews or the Christians. Essentially all the bankers care about is power and financial wealth. A Rothschild honestly probably doesn't care about Judaism or any other religion for that matter. Of course there are religious fanatics who support Zionism, I just don't know what to make of the bankers in all of it because I feel that their belief system is beyond the way most people think. Remember also that Zionism is not always looked at by Jews as representing their best interest. So that could be an answer too. I just think that the bankers specifically are beyond religious, moral, social, or political belief systems.

[NOTALOWBROW]

but from what I have read thus far, criticism of a group of people who have monopolized control on the world's financial markets needs to be more accurately defined, because the religion or even the race of Jewishness, is not the whole story and leads to an easy defense by those who are being legitimately criticized. Get it?

I guess my point is, people are so damn obsessed with religion or even race that they are quick to pin the blame on one or the other, when in this case, it is a group of international bankers, not jews.

You make a very good point that this issue needs to be more accurately defined. I don't believe defining the problem as a "Zionist" one is accurate enough - and I think it leads to confusion, which is at least partly intentional to begin with. (There is a name for this trick that propagandists use but it escapes my memory. Thunk had linked to a site that showed all the different ways used to manipulate in communication.) Without a clear and accurate definition of the corrupt system/regime we are living under, we can't communicate clear enough to make sense of it to someone who is unaware.

The bankers may be "Jewish", but there goals transcend religious, moral, social, and political belief systems. These people want you to focus on these topics like abortion and gay marriage, and whether or not it's the Jews or the Christians. Essentially all the bankers care about is power and financial wealth. A Rothschild honestly probably doesn't care about Judaism or any other religion for that matter. Of course there are religious fanatics who support Zionism, I just don't know what to make of the bankers in all of it because I feel that their belief system is beyond the way most people think. Remember also that Zionism is not always looked at by Jews as representing their best interest. So that could be an answer too. I just think that the bankers specifically are beyond religious, moral, social, or political belief systems.

Exactly!

The bankers must be very competitive, greedy, unethical people without conscience. Anyone who would be in their position, at the tip-top of a corrupt and inhumane system, and willingly stay there and not try to change it and make the world better are definitely not hooked up right. These are people who could solve all the world's unnecessary problems, like hunger and war, just by saying the word. But they don't. They LOVE the chaos and suffering because to these twisted f$#@s it means power and control and domination. These are people who are willing to do anything to stay ahead and on top, including creating conflict amongst the people. This is their most powerful weapon against us.

The system has always encouraged sociopaths to compete for power. We are chattel from their viewpoint. Our lives have no value whatsoever, except for what they can take from us, and win from us. Twisted criminals without conscience need to be taken out of society altogether imo. The good people in the world have had enough of the lies and manipulation of evil immoral people who are incapable of feeling love or compassion - and who, when given power, will cause as much harm and suffering as necessary to get more power. The bullies and thugs are in control of our world system, and whatever they say goes. Sociopaths should not be free, any more than pedophiles should be. Because as long as they are, none of us are safe from the fallout of their unholy actions.

The bankers in question have loyalty to no one but themselves. Their's is an "everything but me is food" mentality. Religion and national pride do not drive these people. Only their own power does. This is why even the political ideology of Zionism isn't some precious thing to them; whether they claim to be Christian or Jewish or whatever - they are not in their hearts adhering to anything other than their corrupt power, which is much greater than the sum of its parts (Zionism, Neocons, Christian Churches, CIA Mossad black ops etc)

[Truth4Youth]

I think it's worth adding that the best researchers into the banking system would agree that the bankers transcend all of the belief systems I mention. Both Bill Stile and Pat Cormack would seem to agree with that due to statements made on their appearance on Radio ConCen. Robert Owen, who has investigated the Bank of England, also made similiar statements when he was interviewed by DBS:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradf ... sOwen.html

[general hoke]

lets just call it the international banking system. leave all jew zionist stuff out because at this point in history the international bankers or money masters are all sorts of diff religion, culture whatever. so lets call them the IBS.
RACISM comes from the obsession of groups and lables. the very idea of race is racist. there is only one race on the plante...human race. we vary in skin color, height, our noses are a little different whatever the fuck. and every part of the world has invented a religion to explain the unknown these religions (the biggers ones) then fragment into more like christianity into protestant and catholic etc...

the problem is tolerance. with islam, christianity and some others there is no tolerance for other religions because part of the core beleif is that if you don't believe ya go to hell and burn forever, therefore if god hates the non-beleivers enought to burn them forever than why should i the follower show any respect.
with hindu and budism at least non beleivers are not judged and scorned to the same extent

we need tolerance with religion and the same goes for race. to judge all of any group by the actions of a few or even most is stupid. i mean think about this:
everyone who molests children also drank water so then if ya drink water you must be a molester. sounds dumb ass hell right? same logic as any argument that classifys a race as being blank

[Ry]

Well Ford was an anti-Semite. What he may have meant was that organizations controlled by the finacial religous empire were controlling things but I htink he just thought that Jerws as a race of people were pre-disposed to be maniacal lying greedy parasites. That was a common view of the time. Basically anyone not Christian had a negative stereotype about them.

Well it's because being a Jew has always been considered more of an ethnicity or race, rather then belonging to a religion. It's still true these days. For example somebody in our society who hates Muslims is let off the hook because someone points out that Islam is a religion and not a race, and that you're not hating somebody because of something out of their control. But if somebody hates Jews, there's no debate about it, he's automatically a racist

That is true-ish. When someone is a bigot it is more acceptable than being a racist. However if somebody doesn't like Judaism they are called a bigot and a racist because most people including many Jews think of Jews as a race and a religion and not just a religion. However bigorty is religious suprimicism. It is when you hate other religions through prejudice because of your own. I dont see anything wrong with say condemning Henduism for its classist racist practices or some African religion that requires genital mutalation or even Christian sects that have people letting snakes bite them and dying as a result many times. People can't just do whatever they want and be free from critics because they say "it's their religion".

Anytime I rip on Judaism I say Judaism I never say Jews. The same thing goes for other religions though. I rip on Christiany probably more than anything but I stick to the religion I dont rip on the followers unless ones from some sect did something really stupid. When I rip on Islam its not cutting on the people, I am just saying the religion is false and based on earlier fairy tales that were just as stupid. It set up a monarchy etc. Now I think it IS stupid to believe in a religion after one is aware of its historical and scientific contradictions and moral absurdities. Because if you keep following it after that then you are just brainwashed.

But it does not make people stupid. It is like smoking. Smoking is stupid no argument about it. But that does not mean everyone who smokes is stupid. Smart people can do stupid things. Smart people can eat too much, procrastinate too much etc all things they intellectually know are wrong but lack the will to corect. That is how I see religion. I think most people deep down know it is shit but they believe it anyway because they need it.