Society of the Spectacle -- Fake Debates

[visionthing]

Guy deBord wrote an essay called "The Society of the Spectacle" in which he basically said the power elites make modern life complicated in order to distract the masses.

I think U.S. political discourse is dominated by fake debates. Left versus Right is obviously fake. (Where does Jefferson fit? Gun-toting small-government Right or Liberal , rights-espousing, near-anarchist Left?)

The evolutionism versus creationism debate is similarly fake. Whichever side gains advantage tends to support the growth of state power.

If the creationists win, it's faith-based Dubya worship. If the evolutionists win, it's materialism and positivism -- i.e. the state has all the answers, therefore the state cannot be questioned by individuals.

[Ry]

i dont know about that. im pro evolution because its true. I am not however pro nig pharma by any means. I agree however that the left vs right is a utter waste of time both are zionist camps and both are currently prowar

[rory5]

Your ideas are clearly gnostic. There are lots of gnostics who don't actually realize they are, I believe. To check out real gnosticism (and there is A LOT of misinformation out there), check out John Lash and metahistory.org, do some searches on "demiurge", "archons" and John Lash.

Anyways, as a Biologist I can say that Evolution is clearly real, happens every day in the timescale of hours as a matter of fact in bacteria, viruses, etc. And we share at least 98% of Chimpanzee genes, I'm talking EXACTLY the same sequence.

But I never bought it when in zoology courses they starting ranting about "primordial soup" and the ocean becoming a sea of amino acids and lightning creating macromolecules, etc. Even if you give them this, there is NO WAY that you go from that to a self-replicating cell using heat and/or lightning, I don't care how long you wait.

So there had to be some sort of "intelligence" you may call it whatever you want, aliens, etc. To just get the damn thing started.

And yes we have a political party here in Greater Israel's 50 states, The Republocrats, or how bout this, the DEMOREPUGNOZIO-CRUNTS.

[ledskof]

Even if you give them this, there is NO WAY that you go from that to a self-replicating cell using heat and/or lightning, I don't care how long you wait.

So there had to be some sort of "intelligence" you may call it whatever you want, aliens, etc. To just get the damn thing started.

Why is there no way? I'm not a biologist but the biology, chemistry, and physics that I have studied led me to believe that life is a normal order of things in the right conditions and possibly outside of what we believe are the right conditions... How is it more logical to believe that something made from the same building blocks as us started all *other* life in the universe? Now if you believe that something is based on a different set of building blocks that we aren't aware of -- perhaps, but that is even MORE presuming. And again, you would have to make the assumption that somewhere down the line there has just always been some sort of life that goes around starting all the other life... Is it not equally as possible that we are the first life that starts all other life?

But I feel like that line of searching doesn't lead us to a more clear model for understanding the universe. We have to work with what we have. Just pulling anything from imagination that we can't test and then letting go of all other research isn't the way.