We need to go to first principles - a revolution is needed

[prophet]

I don't think we have a choice either way whether there is a revolution or not. We will face an economic depression soon, not unlike the Great Depression. If it gets worse than that and there is total economic collapse, America will face anarchy. America will be forced to make changes then. That is if it hasn't been taken over by another country by then.

such a dilemma, and i agree w/ your sorting out this enigma, but you postulate incorrectly

1. no country is going to "invade us"

2. there will be no total economic collapse, as long as international zionist federal reserve and central bankers of world can keep up this charade, it will continue, they have to be able to forclose on said system

great depression was hegelian dialectic to impose "the new deal" by crypto jew rosevelt

my SOLUTION: hope you agree------revolution w/o overthrowing institutional checks and balances, it's federal vs individual

constitutional political parties, constitutional law, this is the path

window of opportunity is small, when we lose right to bear arms, and 1st ammendment thru hate laws, it'll be to late,

fight the media

[RANGER]

Don't forget the Jewish Nation. It is the Zionists who are making these Christians idiots. A Zionist wrote a treatise about Jews being the Chosen People and the leaders of these churches flog that message to the Christians - hence Zionist Christians.

Right On!!
Perhaps alex j's loud mouth is actually helping us
by showing these 'christian' zionists that the neo-con bush tools are really just bohemian grove satanists, hippocrites and lairs.

That THEY have been SUCKERED with the line: 'blessed are thy that blesses israel'. Gott'a wake them up before it's too late.

There must be fundamental changes to the Consitution such that it is made immune to subversion by any people outside of this nation,
including the type of subversion committed by the Zionists. And the economic system needs to change as well, otherwise the nation will just drift back to the same old ways. But at the same time, the effect of the Jews/Zionists on this country needs to be seriously addressed, so that this nation of people that works very effectively to take over another country, can never do that again to America.

The Titles Of Nobility took care of this very situation but the problem was and still is THIS FOREIGN PARASITE and the power of the press,
and gullibility of the masses.

In a nutshell,
It is designed to combat internal subversion and discord sowed by people who are adhering to powers foreign to the Congress of the United States without stepping across the bold Constitutional line of treason.

It is a corrective and supplemental measure to go along with Constitutional treason.

This Article of Amendment added an enforceable strict penalty, i.e., inability to hold office and loss of citizenship,

for violations of the already existing constitutional prohibition in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 8 on titles of nobility

and other conflicts of citizenship interest, such as accepting emoluments of any kind for services or favors rendered or to be rendered,

and is particularly applicable today in the 21st Century as government is increasingly FOR SALE to the highest bidder,

as foreign and multinational corporations and individuals compete to line the pockets of politicians and political parties

to accommodate and purchase protection or privilege, i.e. honors, for their special interests.

In terms familiar to the common man, this might quite properly be called the use of bribes and graft by individuals and powers foreign,
i.e. external,

to the Congress of the United States to subvert the constitutional process and suborn our political system and the interests of WE THE PEOPLE.

(read here):
http://www.amendment-13.org/index.html

All 13 required states ratified the amendment

Maryland, Dec. 25, 1810
Kentucky, Jan. 31, 1811
Ohio, Jan. 31, 1811
Delaware, Feb. 2, 1811
Pennsylvania, Feb. 6, 1811
New Jersey, Feb. 13, 1811
Vermont, Oct. 24, 1811
Tennessee, Nov. 21, 1811
Georgia, Dec. 13, 1811
North Carolina, Dec. 23, 1811
Massachusetts, Feb. 27, 1812
New Hampshire, Dec. 10, 1812

VIRGINA was the last state to ratify,
(read):
http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/10/missing13th2.htm

Bottom line: It is our Constitutional right, our duty, after all other resources have been exhausted, to take back our Republic by whatever means available, including the ultimate sacrifice. (their blood)

[debus]

Good post, Ranger.

Our laws and constitution have already been subverted by people with foreign interests ie. traitors, and this nation will not be on the right track and cannot have its sovereignty restored until there is a revolution.

Interesting post about Paine, Ry. It is important to note that after the Revolution, Paine became an outcast, his writings that were thinly veiled criticisms of Christianity made him very unpopular.

I think religion will be a central issue in this revolution. It always has been in any conflict regardless of whether a nation considers itself to be secular or not, because the people themselves are not secular/atheist and religion is a philosophy and war is nothing more than a clash of philosophies for dominance.

I think America has come a long way from the 1770s when religion had to be subverted secretly. The Russians managed to turn atheist when they adopted communism although Christianity was widespread among the populace.

Still, America is a country that has many religious adherents - there are more followers of organized religion than there are in other western nations. Some fanatical ones like the Christian Zionists and others from the Christian Right as well as the fanatical jewish ones.

Maybe the mistake that the Founding Fathers made when wiriting the Constitution was allowing freedom of religion. They should have outlawed religion as religion encourages bigotry and idiocy and ignorance. Freedom of religion also means people with very different philosophies are going to be allowed to come here, which is what happened, and these people with their very different philosophies - philosophies that are antithetical to nationalist interests will seek to take over the nation, and they do, under the cover of the constitution which protects their religion and religious philosophy.

What is sure is that without a revolution the Jews will consolidate their power in this country. It is too far gone to combat the jews in more peaceful ways. Let's face it, America has been conquered by people of another nation. The baton of power has been passed from the Anglo-Saxons, the 'Whites', to the jews. The jews have thoroughly routed European control of America as the Europeans once routed the Native Americans from governorship of their nation.

Only this was a war not won by muskets and artillery, but by stealth and economic and political subversion.

As Rothschild said, "give me control of the financial system of a country, and I will soon own that country" or something similar. He is right; invasion can be accomplished the old-fashioned conventional way - with guns and military fanfare, or it can be accomplished by stealth, by Mafioso tactics or 'communitarianism'.

What better cover than to call this 'communitarianism' philosophy/Mafioso ethnic tribalism a religion?

The people of America who declared freedom of religion in their constitution left themselves wide open to being colonized by the jews. And because the Jews are in power now they change the constitution to ensure that it protects their interests and leaves the majority gentiles defenseless against further predations to their rights. So bit-by-bit, law by law, the constitution is altered to conform to the interests of the conquerors. And gradually the rights of the people, the 'native peoples' of the land, are eroded.

Sharon was absolutely right and the Americans are cowardly for refusing to face it: America is controled by the Jews. Jews and their flag nation, Israel, control or rather rule America. It is a conquest by any other name, no less a conquest because of the stealth by which it has been achieved.

How do we know we have been conquered? Because the citizens, the Gentile citizens I mean, have no more control of their lives. A foreign power carries out a false flag that kills thousands of its people, and the people cannot be demand it for it to be investigated. The government actually participates in hiding the evidence; they hinder the investigation; they help the foreign power get away with the crime. Does that show a government that works for its own people? No, it shows a government that works for a foreign power, a controlled government. Furthermore, they commit the people, the Gentiles I mean, to fight wars on behalf of this foreign power, using the false flag attack as a reason (of course they don't say the attack is a false flag operation).

Can things be any more clear what is going on?

Yes, I have to admit it. The Jewish nation has conquered America. They are the new Romans, the new conquerors, the new emperors. through their conquest of America, they have also managed to conquer the UK, Canada and Australia, countries that are client states of America, that fall under the umbrella of US protection.

Are Americans so dumb that they cannot perceive that? Or do they in fact perceive that and they suppress that knowledge because their psychological defenses are too weak to fully absorb the fact into their consciousness? And hence we see the psychological defenses of denial, rationalization, minimization in full-blown array ... "No, all jews can't be bad,", "It's the Zionists, not the Jews, dummy", "It's the Christians, it's the Zionist Christians' fault", "Israel is the problem, not the Jews in America", "It's the neocons", "Don't be a racist, not all Jews think like that" and so on ..........................

It's probably the latter; some even go further than that - these people actively join the jews and seek to be part of the elite - the Jews very cleverly set up a dummy seat of power along side their real ones, and let the Christian Zionist or other Gentile factions believe they have an input in policy and decision-making; they trick these traitorous weaklings (people who flock to the powerful like groupies) into thinking they have some measure of power when they don't. It is the Jews controlling them all along; do you think the Jews would share their power with any Gentile? The Jews laugh behind their backs at these buffoons jostling for power in the new ruling triumvirate; these were the tools they used to subvert the Gentiles.

[debus]

This writer speaks about America being conquered. He doesn't disguise the fact the people who have conquered are Jews; he doesn't use any euphemisms or try to separate the 'good' Jews from the 'bad' Jews.

http://www.israelshamir.net/Contributor ... utor24.htm

It is ironic that anti-racists are willing to challenge the Jewish establishment’s view of the holocaust but not the issue of Jewish world domination”, writes Bob Finch in this second powerful essay. He goes well beyond our usual complaints. He does not stop at his critique of Zionism, he is not being attracted by the holocaust debate. He takes up the punch line of Shamir’s Vampire Killers: “it is not a myth which sustains the Jewish state – it is Jewish global power. It is power which sustains myths”. Bob Finch goes for jugular, for the absolutely forbidden question of Jewish power from our non-racist position. While good people bewail the multibillion subsidies provided by America to the Jewish state, Bob Finch states unashamedly: “But these are not subsidies. They are tribute payments that the vanquished pay to their conquerors.” He calls upon us to deal with this question of power instead of secondary one, how it is used. It is also refreshing that Finch avoids such cliché euphemism as “Israel Lobby” or “Israeli influence”, but refers us to the true culprit – the organised Jewry. He concludes: “It has become absurd to believe that the JOS is an American colony. On the contrary, America now resembles a Jewish colony. America is not merely ruled by a Jewish elite, it has become the biggest prize in the global Jewish empire.”

America Vanquished

By Bob Finch


Historically, holocaust denial has been a political tactic used primarily by extreme right wing political parties. However, a small number of anti-racists have gone beyond criticisms of the racist policies of the Jews-Only state in Palestine (JOS) to question various aspects of Jewish holocaust ......................

[debus]

http://www.answers.com/topic/dennis-v-united-states

Dennis v. United States

* Schenck v. United States

This entry contains information applicable to United States law only.

Dennis v. United States

A 1951 decision of the Supreme Court, Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494, 71 S. Ct. 857, 95 L. Ed. 1137, that upheld criminal convictions under the Smith Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 2385 [1940]), which proscribed teaching and advocating the violent and forcible overthrow of the U.S. government.

Eugene Dennis was one of a number of persons convicted in federal district court for violation of the Smith Act. He and the others were alleged to have engaged in a conspiracy to form the Communist party of the United States to teach and advocate the overthrow of the United States government by force and violence. Such conduct was in direct contravention with the provisions of the Smith Act. Dennis unsuccessfully appealed his conviction and was granted certiorari by the Supreme Court.

The Court focused its review on two issues: whether the particular provisions of the Smith Act violated the First Amendment and the Bill of Rights and whether the sections in question were unconstitutional because they were indefinite in describing the nature of the proscribed conduct. The Court relied upon the determination of the Court of Appeals that the objective of the Communist party in the United States was to bring about the overthrow of its government by force and violence. From this perspective, it reasoned that Congress was empowered to enact the Smith Act, which was designed to safeguard the federal government against terrorist and violent revolution. Peaceable and lawful change was not proscribed, however. The power of Congress to so legislate was not in question, but the means it used to do so created constitutional problems.

The defendants argued that the statute inhibited a free and intelligent discussion of Marxism-Leninism, in violation of the defendants' rights to free speech and press. The Court countered that the Smith Act prohibits advocacy, not intellectual discussion, which is admittedly protected by the First Amendment. It continued, however, that the rights given by the First Amendment are not absolute and unqualified, but must occasionally yield to other concerns and values in society.

The Court decided that the "clear and present danger" test, first formulated by the Supreme Court in 1919 in Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47, 39 S. Ct. 247, 63 L. Ed. 470, applied to the case and set out to explain its applicability. The forcible and violent overthrow of the government constituted a substantial enough interest to permit the government to limit speech that sought to cause it. The Court then reasoned that "If [the] Government is aware that a group aiming at its overthrow is attempting to indoctrinate its members and to commit them to a course whereby they will strike when the leaders feel the circumstances permit, action by the Government is required." The likelihood of success or success itself is not necessary, provided the words and proposed actions posed aclear and present danger to the government. The Court based its rationale upon the majority opinion in Gitlow v. New York, 268 U.S. 652, 45 S. Ct. 625, 69 L. Ed. 1138 (1925), " ‘In each case [courts] must ask whether the gravity of the "evil," discounted by its improbability, justifies such invasion of free speech as is necessary to avoid the danger.' "

Concerning the issue of indefiniteness, the Court concluded that since the defendants were found by the jury to have intended the forcible overthrow of the government as soon as the circumstances permitted, there was no need to reverse their convictions because of the possibility that others might, in the future, be unaware of its proscriptions. When possible "borderline" cases arise, the Court would at that time strictly scrutinize the convictions.

The Dennis decision so broadly expanded the parameters of the "clear and present danger" test that the Supreme Court eventually rejected it in favor of a test that balances First Amendment freedom against the substantial interests of the government.

See: Communism; Freedom of Speech; Freedom of the Press; Gitlow v. New York; Schenck v. United States.

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Dennis v. United States, 341 U.S. 494 (1951), was a United States Supreme Court case involving Eugene Dennis, general secretary of the Communist Party, USA and dealing with citizens' rights under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

The case

George W. Crockett, Jr., Abraham J. Isserman and Harry Sacher argued the cause for petitioners. With them on the brief was Richard Gladstein.

Solicitor General Perlman and Irving S. Shapiro argued the cause for the United States. With them on the brief were Attorney General McGrath, Assistant Attorney General McInerney, Irving H. Saypol, Robert W. Ginnane, Frank H. Gordon, Edward C. Wallace and Lawrence K. Bailey.

The judgment

Handed down as a 6-2 decision by the Court on June 4, 1951, the judgment and a plurality opinion was delivered by Chief Justice of the United States Fred Vinson, who was joined by Justices Stanley Forman Reed, Sherman Minton, and Harold H. Burton. Separate concurring opinions were delivered by Justices Felix Frankfurter and Robert H. Jackson. Justices Hugo Black and William O. Douglas wrote separate dissenting opinions. Justice Tom C. Clark did not participate in this case.

The Court ruled against the plaintiff, a leader of the Communist Party in the United States, convicted for teaching, conspiring and organizing for the willful overthrow and destruction of the United States government by force and violence, under provisions of the Smith Act.

External links

* Full text of the decision courtesy of Findlaw.com
* First Amendment Library entry on Dennis v. United States

This entry is from Wikipedia, the leading user-contributed encyclopedia. It may not have been reviewed by professional editors (see full disclaimer)

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The Jewish justices made it illegal to have certain types of free speech - one advocating the overthrow of the government. So technically my post is an illegal one. The Jewish justices subverted the letter and the spirit of the Constitution and substituted their own laws for the laws that protect citizens' freedoms. It appears that it doesn't matter whether the Government is acting traitorously; we are not allowed to assemble and discuss overthrowing the government. We can't form political parties that the judiciary deems are 'harmful' to the country or to the government in power.

They subvert the constitution by arguing that 'free speech' is not guaranteed if ".......". They say there are alternate interpretations of the laws and the constitution. The Jews are always doing that. They make up special circumstances and special exceptions that benefit themselves, allowing them to meddle around with the constitution.

How did these people get away with changing the nation's constitution? Usually a country's constitution is changed by people revolting. The Jews have done it stealthily. The majority of the people in the USA aren't even aware the constitution has been changed, and now it looks nothing like the original one. People are under the illusion they can still exercise their right of free speech.

When things start hotting up in the near future I am sure the government is going to use that Dennis v US law to shut down websites and prosecute people for what they post on the internet. There will be heavy censoring of the internet.

I wonder when the people are going to get sick of all this control. Maybe a bunch of frustrated internet addicts will be the ones who rise up and end up overthrowing the government.


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[RANGER]

http://www.answers.com/topic/dennis-v-united-states
They subvert the constitution by arguing that 'free speech' is not guaranteed if ".......". They say there are alternate interpretations of the laws and the constitution. The Jews are always doing that. They make up special circumstances and special exceptions that benefit themselves, allowing them to meddle around with the constitution.

How did these people get away with changing the nation's constitution? Usually a country's constitution is changed by people revolting. The Jews have done it stealthily. The majority of the people in the USA aren't even aware the constitution has been changed, and now it looks nothing like the original one. People are under the illusion they can still exercise their right of free speech.

When things start hotting up in the near future I am sure the government is going to use that Dennis v US law to shut down websites and prosecute people for what they post on the internet. There will be heavy censoring of the internet.

I wonder when the people are going to get sick of all this control. Maybe a bunch of frustrated internet addicts will be the ones who rise up and end up overthrowing the government.

Good post, now....if only the rest of the flock can absorb this information, and do something about it, like spreading and waking up even more sheeple. The more numbers we have, the more feasible it will be.

Worth reiterating :
1) *They say there are alternate interpretations of the laws and the constitution. *[jews]

2) *They make up special circumstances and special exceptions that benefit themselves, *[jews]

3) How did these people get away with changing the nation's constitution?
The Jews have done it stealthily.

4) I wonder when the people are going to get sick of all this control.

The majority of people are still either in blissful denial and ignorance or are too consumed in their daily lives to take the time to investigate for themselves what has been done to them.

The majority have been suckered into believing an american dream, (me included until recently) that's rapidly turning into an american nightmare right before their eyes.

Our goal is to wake up these people by emphasizing that their children will/have already inherited the invisible chains of slavery, and if these people do nothing then they will continue down into increasingly harsher conditions.

Below, Protocol No. 13, I think this is a verrrry important link into their powers of control, break this link and even all the (rothschild) money in the world will not help them.
For what good is 'their' money if the people see through their lies and refuse to take up arms against themselves?
No one is going to enforce their own enslavement. WHEN the people are awaken, alerted, and aware, and realizing that their trust has been wantonly trampled behind their backs, then it'll be judgement time and a rude awakening for the parasitic jews.

PROTOCOL No. 13 - #6:

WE FURTHER DISTRACT THEM WITH AMUSEMENTS,

GAMES, PASTIMES, PASSIONS, PEOPLE'S PALACES ....

SOON WE SHALL BEGIN THROUGH THE PRESS TO

PROPOSE COMPETITIONS IN ART, IN SPORT IN ALL KINDS:

these interests will finally distract their minds from questions

in which we should find ourselves compelled to oppose them.

Growing more and more unaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own,

people will begin to talk in the same tone as we because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought ... of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us.