Ahmadinejad in disagreement with religious clerics again

[mrbheem]

YOUR SUCH AND IDIOT IF YOU BUY THE PROPAGANDA BULL SHIT IN THOSE VIDEOS, im sure even Ry would agree that all that shit is bogus, the protesters they show are FAKE (the protests may be real, but the people holding those specific signs), the guy with the beard has no idea wtf hes talking about when he says its a "command to terrorize".

Its mindless idiots like you who fall for the "war on terror"

go back and watch again, notice they all have covered faces and all the signs have THE SAME HANDWRITING, and theses are the same pictures that show up in every anti-islam video. pull your head out of your ass.

[RonPizzle]

YOUR SUCH AND IDIOT IF YOU BUY THE PROPAGANDA BULL SHIT IN THOSE VIDEOS, im sure even Ry would agree that all that shit is bogus, the protesters they show are FAKE (the protests may be real, but the people holding those specific signs), the guy with the beard has no idea wtf hes talking about when he says its a "command to terrorize".

Its mindless idiots like you who fall for the "war on terror"

go back and watch again, notice they all have covered faces and all the signs have THE SAME HANDWRITING, and theses are the same pictures that show up in every anti-islam video. pull your head out of your ass.

Denial, I'd say. Probably the best way to save face, but the reality is that islamic culture is backwards, and I've seen this type of behavior countless times before, too many to name in all different parts of the middle east. Are you saying that the shadowgovernment of the CIA is so powerful that it uses fake muslim crowds to go and behead innocent people over cartoon drawings? I mean, you don't need to look past islam's own laws to realize that the next logical conclusion would be this kind of behavior. For crying out loud isn't stoning, cutting off hands, and executing converters to other religions all acceptable practices in some parts of the middle east? This is your own law we're talking about here. And you expect the civilians of this detached dark age rationale to transcend its government and be a peaceful loving people? Give me a break.

[mrbheem]

your arguing about something that you know nothing about, just shut up, everything you say is totally ignorant

[adamo]

Iran doesn't deal with Coca Cola or Pepsi because they're American products so they make their own cola called Zam Zam and Parsi Cola. It's not retarded, they're intelligent people despite their religious beliefs or not.

Actually you can buy Coca Cola and Pepsi in Iran... made in Mashhad. Very strange!
Even stranger is the presence of all kinds of Nestlé products.

I wish I knew why...

[Xed]

Iran doesn't deal with Coca Cola or Pepsi because they're American products so they make their own cola called Zam Zam and Parsi Cola. It's not retarded, they're intelligent people despite their religious beliefs or not.

Actually you can buy Coca Cola and Pepsi in Iran... made in Mashhad. Very strange!
Even stranger is the presence of all kinds of Nestlé products.

I wish I knew why...

hmmmmmmmm rasfanjani is keeping the flow of these goods in?

[adamo]

Allegedly not anymore:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010 ... 941763.htm

I still saw the stuff in shops there, but it looks like they're trying to get rid of it:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/ar ... 1zDDUwtY1w

[Ry]

The green revolution was form the CIA the beheadings were our own agencies and the al qeada video are fake.


I'm not saying religion is evil. I'm saying is STUPID. There's a huge difference.

[Ry]

It's easy to have peace even with stupid people. Religion IS the main factor behind the Zionism and its financing and the religious in fighting between Sunnis and Shiites. To not call it stupid and immoral is pretending to not see the giant elephant in the room.

What finally ended the pointless back and forth murder between Christian factions was SECULAR constitutions and governments. It took many people, in the minority, facing billions, a lot of courage and sometims their lives to speak out against the church and it's methods until today it reduced to back water crazies who still have a significant cult and do a lot of damage around the world but nothing compared to the whole sale genocide it used to have.

There are 100s or maybe 1000s of message boards with a pro-Islam stance. And they don't get anywhere. You need an atheist voice of reason whether you know it or not. It allows me to slam Judaism and Christianity which I do far far more than Islam. It gives me an advantage because the things I point out and can't be pointed right back at me since I'm not in a cult. But if I was Muslim no matter what I said about the other religions, it could be said of my own because they are all equally stupid and irrational. It also had credibility with other non-theists which like it or not are 8 times as many of as Muslims in the US and they make up a disproportionate amount of the smarter people we have. That's a fact.

You know you're more than welcome to just try defending the nonsense. But see no one ever does. A religious person's only refuge is either violence, or nonsense. They either just accept beliefs in magic and moral codes that have advocated rape, slavery, etc etc or they just force it. They don't have a rational way to justify their position. They don't even know the difference between the cults they just adopted the one from their parents 90% of the time.

And I don't hate Muslims, and I don't hate Jews either. I don't like religion. That doesn't make the person to me. Same as I can hate smoking but not hate all smokers just because they do something I wouldn't do. They may identify themselves that way saying I AM a smoker or I AM a Christian, I say no you ARE a person who happens to smoke or believe in a certain fairytale.

I can rip on smoking all day long and list all the reasons why it's retarded to do it. But that wouldn't mean kill all the smokers or make them worthless humans. If I didn't care about people then I wouldn't say anything at all, I'd say fuck'em they deserve cancer. But I don't because I don't hate people for being stupid. I want them to not be stupid and quit doing stupid things. I'm not going to tolerate their stupidity when I KNOW it's doing damage. And I do hate big tobacco the one profitting from it just as I hate the Church leadership making money off all the suckers. But I don't put the blame on the suckers, I just say they're stupid. (because it's true)

Islam IS stupid. As stupid as any other religion ever made, to have adults pray to a moon god is no less untrue than to a sun god or cell phone god. It isn't real. It isn't historic and it's anti-scientific. I don't know what other truth criteria you'd like to use. Even the followers admit it's based on faith AKA not having any evidence for the claims or explanations for how it goes against evidence contradicting the claims. They are basically saying I believe in this because I want to. It has no tie to reality.

I believe in gravity not because I want to but because I have to. I don't have faith in the computer I'm typing on, I have understanding of it, this is because it actually exist. I don't understand how it all works, BUT the empirical evidence is offered to show how it physically works if I enquirer it.

Historically and presently Religion is not a path to peace Secularism is. So forgive me for calling retarded beliefs retarded. I'm remind you that Islam states that myself, wife, 1 year old son, practically the whole Island of Japan and billions of others are all going to be eternally tortured. And in some passages they're even instructed to kill me. They have to squash that because they don't have the means. So they can kiss my ass. They are the captains of intolerance. You can't even write atheist things in some places. And dressing women up like bee keepers is sick. Just because I defend Iraq and Iran and Palestine ect doesn't mean they are perfect places. But if you go look at the anti Islam thread about banning the face mask etc I've always defended Islam. I say they have a right to be stupid. Because in places like France etc when it was a CHOICE then people should dress however the hell they want to even when I personally think it's silly. What's wrong is not allowing a choice.

What's stupid is supernatural bullshit dictating decisions in your life.

[Phys]

Its just rude.
If no one is doing harm, whats the problem?

I dont care for religion but I dont have a problem with people having faith. We all have faith to a certain degree.

[Ry]

Phys I know it's rude, but that's what I think works. Everyone act like their talking to special people and avoid hurting their feelwings. I don't think that helps them. It ought to be laughed at and ridiculed. Because it really is retarded. I mean this is a political forum. It's not for sissies. When something is stupid it's stupid and religion isn't going to protect it. Where else CAN you smack down religion if not the internet. You'd get fired, or possible even attacked anywhere else.

Religion isn't separate from politics. It's the back bone for industries when trillions to spend. Normally I bash on Xtianity because churches finance the Israeli forces with 10 of billions in investments. I am assumed to be a Muslim. So now and then I have to say, no, I'n not a Muslim, religion has nothing to do with it. I support Palestine because it's right. I don't give a damn what all invisible man people believe in. They will always fight over Jerusalem because you're dealing with irrational sub children level intellects who don't even know the difference between real and not real much less right and wrong.

If it were no harm, I wouldn't even care. But there is harm. I don't pick on other religions like Shinto, Pantheism, Deism, or even really Buddhism much because they aren't dressing women like clowns, blowing each other up or condemning me and my family to Hell.
If they are going to dish it they should have to take it.

They can't stand it. They can't stand being stood up to. The media will never allow an atheist or philosopher to debate with religious kooks on the air or point out the stupidities in the buybull/torrah/qurrap. You'd be hard pressed to even find a movie that allows it. They dont even get challenged because they freak the fuck out when you cause them to question their brainwashing as it defines their life.

I think religion as mythologies is fascinating, but to take them as realities would make you out of your mind. I dig the intellectual types like Joseph Cambell or even some of the Bishops. But the run of the mill shmuck whose been taught to memorize lines from fictional books is a sad mockery of the faiths really. The faiths are still not true,m but in the deeper forms i wouldn't call them "retarded" just wrong. But they are useful. Because there will always be a lot of dumb people incapable of philosophy and this is something watered down to there level, here memorize this chant, say John 3:16, or Allah is god Mohammud is his prophet. They don't have a god damn clue about how the universe works or the nature of nature. Its been packaged down to the level of god magically made it this way, now fill in the blank to attach some agenda to god to give yourself authority for something you want to do or make other people do. That is monotheism.