Ahmadinejad in disagreement with religious clerics again

[RonPizzle]

and as a side note, the ones listed in that article are only a few.. chemistry for instance comes from the word kimia in Arabic.

modern society literally would not exist as it does today if it were not for the advancements made by Muslims that got Europe out of the dark ages.

so if we go along your line of thought, the "west" took our ideas, built off them. only the west contributed shit that fucked up the world instead of advancing the world. ie, western medicine does not heal anything, pharma is a scam. because the "west" "learns" with the wrong mindset, FREEDOM to be a slave that's what you support. have fun sucking corporate dick and buying iPhones

[RonPizzle]

Wow, even here we have typical American ignorant exceptionalism. I'm pretty sure the first use of electricity (and invention of a chemical battery) for use in electroplating was in ancient Persia. Being from Iran myself, I would not deny that there are many people there who are backwards, with some of that attributable to extreme interpretations of Islam (and some good benefits gleaned from Islam) but the civilization and it's achievements go back for a long time. They were involved in math and science when Europeans were in the dark ages. And they had a secular democratic government in recent history. It was "western culture" that fucked that up for them. Want to know why so many of us "ragheads" move to your beloved USA? It's because you fucked up our countries and left us vulnerable to our worst elements. People better not hope for government collapse here, what you'll get telling you what to do is the religious right and the tea parties. It won't be us anti-war people who gain power. Scott Horton said it best," Iran's worst crime is that it had the nerve to steal it's country back"

I am not saying the arab world hasn't played its part in developing technology and science, I'm saying their culture is a breeding ground for the opposite primarily due to their religious zealotry and misogynism. However, you can twist the facts however you like, that's on you.

[RonPizzle]

Wow, even here we have typical American ignorant exceptionalism. I'm pretty sure the first use of electricity (and invention of a chemical battery) for use in electroplating was in ancient Persia. Being from Iran myself, I would not deny that there are many people there who are backwards, with some of that attributable to extreme interpretations of Islam (and some good benefits gleaned from Islam) but the civilization and it's achievements go back for a long time. They were involved in math and science when Europeans were in the dark ages. And they had a secular democratic government in recent history. It was "western culture" that fucked that up for them. Want to know why so many of us "ragheads" move to your beloved USA? It's because you fucked up our countries and left us vulnerable to our worst elements. People better not hope for government collapse here, what you'll get telling you what to do is the religious right and the tea parties. It won't be us anti-war people who gain power. Scott Horton said it best," Iran's worst crime is that it had the nerve to steal it's country back"

Typical ignorant exceptionalism? More like sound reasoning and logic. You've misread what I have said, and therefore your post doesn't deserve a response.

[Xed]

Wow, even here we have typical American ignorant exceptionalism. I'm pretty sure the first use of electricity (and invention of a chemical battery) for use in electroplating was in ancient Persia. Being from Iran myself, I would not deny that there are many people there who are backwards, with some of that attributable to extreme interpretations of Islam (and some good benefits gleaned from Islam) but the civilization and it's achievements go back for a long time. They were involved in math and science when Europeans were in the dark ages. And they had a secular democratic government in recent history. It was "western culture" that fucked that up for them. Want to know why so many of us "ragheads" move to your beloved USA? It's because you fucked up our countries and left us vulnerable to our worst elements. People better not hope for government collapse here, what you'll get telling you what to do is the religious right and the tea parties. It won't be us anti-war people who gain power. Scott Horton said it best," Iran's worst crime is that it had the nerve to steal it's country back"

I am not saying the arab world hasn't played its part in developing technology and science, I'm saying their culture is a breeding ground for the opposite primarily due to their religious zealotry and misogynism. However, you can twist the facts however you like, that's on you.

so what do you suggest as a solution ?

[Ry]

Tim most of those inventions were by ATHEIST in spite of living in Muslim countries likewise in the West it was the same with nonreligious super minority railing against the establishment. Some of the other occurred in what is a Muslim area TODAY but wasn't when the invention came Islam hadn't even been made up yet. By the way the Mayans and Greeks also invented Algebra independently. And the others are rediculous claims, they didn't invent music lol everyone had music. And the other claims are simply getting something before Europe did, that doesn't mean it was their own it usualy came form Asia, the Middle East is lucky enough to be physically located between Asia and Europe so that it could be the middle man. Mohamed did not invent the tooth brush. Twig brushing has been around since 3000 BC and the first real tooth Brush came from China. The odest known Surgery comes from India. The flying machine didn't work, and a lot of people had failed at that. The first flying machines that worked came from two atheist in North Carolina and simultaneously in New Zealand. Plato made the first university long before Islam was even invented, by a good 1,000 years. Al-Khwarizmi was an atheist, it's all over his philosophy and poetry most of which he released after he died because they would have burned it and killed him too. Optic started in ancient Egypt. Ibn Al-Haitham wrote of natural philosophy but irrationally claimed to tie it to the supernatural, probably because he didn't want his work destroyed. It's ridiculous to claim Islam had anything to do with it as what he was doing was in spite of the religion not because of it. Religion has no relation to science, it's got an incorrect solar system beliefs in magic and magical creatures, it's fucking nonsense.

Ben Franklin was a Deist not a Christian. He's also the father of the American Mullet. That's right a mullet invented the rocking chair, central heating, bifocals, and discovered electricity and made the first American fire department.

The Persians were the center of scientific thought BEFORE Islam and then took a flaming dive into the stone ages. The Zoroastrians and atheist minorities were just about the only people produce squat. The Muslism and Christian did contribute the reverse though by burning books, killing and jailing thinkers, and lying to the public about the make up of space and the earth.

Islam/Jewish/Christian theology kills thought that or though kills religions, theu rarely does creative invention come from religious people, it is vastly and immensely disproportionately non-religious and despite being a minority in the whole world, they still have a majority not only percentage wise but in total number when it comes to scientific break through and inventions. Just imagine if they had the wealth and numbers that the church has.

[Ry]

Of course Muslims are not backward, Islam is though. The people over there are litterally sitting on the most valuable resource on earth and they squander it to monarchies which were set up by and because of religious belief.

[mrbheem]

i believe the original argument was that Islamic culture and society does not allow an environment that allows such advancements, and clearly it does

[mrbheem]

Of course Muslims are not backward, Islam is though. The people over there are litterally sitting on the most valuable resource on earth and they squander it to monarchies which were set up by and because of religious belief.

you know well that those governments were set up by the British after they divided the territory. Puppet governments do not represent islam

[Ry]

i believe the original argument was that Islamic culture and society does not allow an environment that allows such advancements, and clearly it does

it clearly doesn't.

Christians burned the great library, Islam didn't even have one to burn. There are a handful of guys that came about right after Islam was a baby and most of them atheists who have to fight to get their work allowed. Many more had their books burned. Islamic countries in modern times have had to come to the West for everything. Saudi Arabia didn't even have proper Garbage disposal or sewage until the 1990s! they were feeding trash to goats. The next trip to Mars isn't going to come out of Yemen. The next Bill Gates won't be out of Kuwait. The Superconductors, heavy water, even basics for oil processing to gasoline all have to be bought or taught to the Middle East and in many cases that's not enough they literally have to import scientist from Russia to finish their nuclear power because they lack enough people to even understand it. For one 50% of the brains are basically cut off by virtue of being females. Secondly, religion is a cancer of the mind, why even look for answers to things when you believe that you already have them? There are still Muslim nations where they have banned everything from pornography to bacon to certain books, to driving a car. It's not in all the nations but that kind of bull shit wouldn't even be dreamed of outside of religion.

by the way Hospitals have been around long before Islam. Rome and Greece and Egypt and China all had them before Islam was invented and even before Christianity was invented. As far as how effective those hospitals were and what went in them you can think the non religious for advancements in medicine and the concept of evolution for fighting diseases.

A list of 10 or 20 things is nothing. I can spit that out for the non religious in seconds, starting with what I'm using now and every part of it, from the electricity to binary code, the air conditioning in the room, the light bulbs over head, and the plastic I'm typing on and sitting on.

[mrbheem]

ry, your a smart guy, but also an idiot at the same time (no disrespect)